Disciplinary issues

Kenny Morris said:
but he wasn't there bwere at least 2 other Latics players in the box
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I think Specsavers are open on Sundays.

Aside from Smith, there was Carragher (as I said, on a completely different line, so not going to affect play) and Tickle, who as far as being classed as "last man" goes, doesn't count.

As the foul itself obviously wasn't worthy of a red, i can't think of any other reason for it being given.
 
I think the red cards we have had have fallen into the unlucky/silly category rather than the careless/dirty/reckless category.

Two of them in particular are just pure daft decision making from our players. Saydee when on the halfway line at Lincoln and the ball being miles away from a dangerous position on the pitch putting his foot up high going into a challenge. Most foolish as all though was Costelloe's. I still have no idea what was going through his brain thinking he could score an overhead kick twenty yards out to the side of the goal just outside the box when opposing players rushing out.
 
ManchesterLatic89 said:
I think the red cards we have had have fallen into the unlucky/silly category rather than the careless/dirty/reckless category.

Two of them in particular are just pure daft decision making from our players. Saydee when on the halfway line at Lincoln and the ball being miles away from a dangerous position on the pitch putting his foot up high going into a challenge. Most foolish as all though was Costelloe's. I still have no idea what was going through his brain thinking he could score an overhead kick twenty yards out to the side of the goal just outside the box when opposing players rushing out.
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I think the simple answer to what was going through his mind was that the ball was in front of him, the goal was behind him, therefore the only way to get the ball towards the goal was to try an overhead kick. As has been said on numerous occasions on here he did not see the player coming nor was it a deliberate action to kick the player in the face, it was totally accidental and in my opinion warranted a yellow card not a red.

I do wonder what the reaction would have been on here if he had let the ball drop and their player had broken away with the bulk of our players out of position.

in my opinion, and I am sure others will have their own opinions, he made a snap decision and unfortunately so did the defender who put his head in were it hurts. Both players made spur of the moment decisions to attack the ball and the consequences were what we saw.
 
TRUE BELIEVER said:
I think the simple answer to what was going through his mind was that the ball was in front of him, the goal was behind him, therefore the only way to get the ball towards the goal was to try an overhead kick. As has been said on numerous occasions on here he did not see the player coming nor was it a deliberate action to kick the player in the face, it was totally accidental and in my opinion warranted a yellow card not a red.

I do wonder what the reaction would have been on here if he had let the ball drop and their player had broken away with the bulk of our players out of position.

in my opinion, and I am sure others will have their own opinions, he made a snap decision and unfortunately so did the defender who put his head in were it hurts. Both players made spur of the moment decisions to attack the ball and the consequences were what we saw.
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Could he have not taken the ball down and then looked for a pass to try probe another opening.

The chances of you scoring or getting the ball into a threatening position from an overhead kick in that position where it was done are 1,000-1 territory. Factor into account players from the opposing team charging out of the box having cleared their lines as well and there was always risk of connecting and a red card.

I know overhead kicks look brilliant when they go in but there is a high level of risk to them and it's only something I would try in acres of space in the penalty box. Risk isn't worth the reward for me with them especially with any high foot now being classed as dangerous play and thus putting you at risk of a card.
 
ManchesterLatic89 said:
Could he have not taken the ball down and then looked for a pass to try probe another opening.

The chances of you scoring or getting the ball into a threatening position from an overhead kick in that position where it was done are 1,000-1 territory. Factor into account players from the opposing team charging out of the box having cleared their lines as well and there was always risk of connecting and a red card.

I know overhead kicks look brilliant when they go in but there is a high level of risk to them and it's only something I would try in acres of space in the penalty box. Risk isn't worth the reward for me with them especially with any high foot now being classed as dangerous play and thus putting you at risk of a card.
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I don't believe he could have taken the ball down mate, the defender would have beaten him to it. The ball was at head height which is why his boot caught the defender in the face. Had he not attempted the overhead, I suspect, the defender would have won the ball and broke away.

We don't know if he was attempting to score or whether it was an attempt to play the ball back into a congested area. The way I saw it, as you say. there was little chance of him scoring which is why I think he kept one foot grounded and attempted to just put the ball back into the mix.

We will never know, but I am not going to criticise a player for attempting to play a ball. whichever way it goes.
 
Worded probably badly there with 'taken the ball down' but maybe try using his strength to shield the ball, control with his chest?

I just think an overhead kick was a wildly optimistic thing to try in that part of the pitch.

But yeah happy to agree to disagree on this one as can understand the opposing views on it on here.
 
ManchesterLatic89 said:
Worded probably badly there with 'taken the ball down' but maybe try using his strength to shield the ball, control with his chest?

I just think an overhead kick was a wildly optimistic thing to try in that part of the pitch.

But yeah happy to agree to disagree on this one as can understand the opposing views on it on here.
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Of course it was wildly optimistic but if we're now in the realms of sending off players for attempting overhead kicks then we might as well invoke 5 a side rules that ball can't go above head height. It was a ridiculous red card
 
Just watching MOTD (FA CUP) highlights, please if you can find the clips I am going to mention watch them to see if what I am going to say is wrong.

First one, Oldham's Micheal Mellon scores with an overhead kick, it was a great goal, however he launched himself at the ball with no care or consideration to the defender coming him behind him, it was exactly same as the one Costello did v Port Vale, why was it not dangerous play, my issue is why was the appeal against the 3 match ban was upheld.

The second was in the Luton v Forest Green game on Friday evening, Luton defender Teden Mengi conceded a penalty with a challenge that was almost Identical to the one Matt Smith was sent off for yesterday, not only was he not sent off the referee didn't even book him, why does it always seem to go against us, none of the four I mentioned were sending off offences.

This second one disgusts me more than the others, imagine if our next game was against Luton, they would have a player available an we would have a key player sitting it out.
 
Scholes controls said:
Honestly we've been on the end of 4 shocking decisions this seasons the penalties at Plymouth and Lincoln the disallowed goal last week and that today was unbelievable smith never even touched him yet he gave a pen and a red card some shocking refs in league one
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Plus the penalty he denied us on Saturday for the blatant hand ball.
 
Refs are marked for every game they officiate even at grass roots level. They don't make decisions for the fun of it. They know they are being monitored. In Sunday league you give the ref a score and if you give him a low score you then have to write a letter to the league explaining why you have scored him down. They can't show blatant bias for or against any team as this will affect their career. I do admit many refs need a trip to specsavers and some are really bad at their jobs but that's it no cheating just crap decisions.
 
St. Columb Major said:
Just watching MOTD (FA CUP) highlights, please if you can find the clips I am going to mention watch them to see if what I am going to say is wrong.

First one, Oldham's Micheal Mellon scores with an overhead kick, it was a great goal, however he launched himself at the ball with no care or consideration to the defender coming him behind him, it was exactly same as the one Costello did v Port Vale, why was it not dangerous play, my issue is why was the appeal against the 3 match ban was upheld.

The second was in the Luton v Forest Green game on Friday evening, Luton defender Teden Mengi conceded a penalty with a challenge that was almost Identical to the one Matt Smith was sent off for yesterday, not only was he not sent off the referee didn't even book him, why does it always seem to go against us, none of the four I mentioned were sending off offences.

This second one disgusts me more than the others, imagine if our next game was against Luton, they would have a player available an we would have a key player sitting it out.
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As I said with the Costello one, you never see anyone get sent off for attempting to score from an overhead kick. Total inconsistency.

I’ve only just seen the Smith sending off. Can’t say that I saw a push from the footage - his hand was touching his shoulder but there was no push, pull or downward pressure and he fell down chancing his arm as he’d over run the ball. Think Costello did something similar earlier in the season and a pen was rightly not given as the contact iwas not enough to send someone to the ground. Even if it was a foul it wasn’t a goalscoring opportunity as he wasn’t reaching the ball as it ran through to Tickle

Said last week it’s becoming a weekly occurrence that we are getting screwed by controversial decisions, and that was another one. Until Lowe calls it out publicly, or rips one of these idiots a new one during the match, regardless of consequence and puts pressure on the governing body nothing will change.
 
Made in Wigan said:
As I said with the Costello one, you never see anyone get sent off for attempting to score from an overhead kick. Total inconsistency.

I’ve only just seen the Smith sending off. Can’t say that I saw a push from the footage - his hand was touching his shoulder but there was no push, pull or downward pressure and he fell down chancing his arm as he’d over run the ball. Think Costello did something similar earlier in the season and a pen was rightly not given as the contact iwas not enough to send someone to the ground. Even if it was a foul it wasn’t a goalscoring opportunity as he wasn’t reaching the ball as it ran through to Tickle

Said last week it’s becoming a weekly occurrence that we are getting screwed by controversial decisions, and that was another one. Until Lowe calls it out publicly, or rips one of these idiots a new one during the match, regardless of consequence and puts pressure on the governing body nothing will change.
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The problem is, 90% of EFL referees aren't fit to referee in the Wigan Ammy League.
 
Have we appealed the matt Smith red card surely that gets overturned or you really don't know these days as they are that shit so he's banned for Exeter as it stands
 
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