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Great short video & well worth the watch;

The workhorse of the cell, Kinesin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbycQf1TbM0

 
"It is worth noting that putative primitive ancestral types of motors have never been identified in any extant cell -- and remarkably, from phylogenetic reconstructions, the earliest eukaryotic cells apparently had as diverse a set of complex motors as extant cells and no motors are known linking the kinesin family to the myosin family or between the different classes of kinesins and myosins."

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2014/05/michael_denton085681.html
 
The evidence for genetic engineering in our evolution is all there, the human brain and body went through a period of great change in a short period of time, which is why the missing link is still missing, there never was one, so the real question is who did the engineering?


 
Green Tea - 17/5/2014 09:49

And you have the evidence to prove it I take it?
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Do you have proof that it isn't?

This is just the Evolution of the Eye argument all over again. Just because your feeble mind can't imagine it, it can't possibly have happened.

Not that you'll read this, never mind digest it. Your mind is already made up and you only respond to information you already agree with.
 
Green Tea - 17/5/2014 10:12

"It is worth noting that putative primitive ancestral types of motors have never been identified in any extant cell -- and remarkably, from phylogenetic reconstructions, the earliest eukaryotic cells apparently had as diverse a set of complex motors as extant cells and no motors are known linking the kinesin family to the myosin family or between the different classes of kinesins and myosins."

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2014/05/michael_denton085681.html
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Could you explain this in more detail please? Try to keep it to a lower level, so that everyone can understand. In articular, what are the implications of this statement, and how does it affect the argument you offer.
 
Microbiologist Don Ewert (PhD, University of Georgia); "Kinesins are indeed a marvel of design, as this video illustrates. But this begs the question of how they know where to take their cargo? Where is the plan for the microtubular highway they follow? The coordination and targeted specificity of intracellular transport pathways testify to design by an intelligent agent."

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2014/05/how_do_kinesins085741.html

How do they what to take, how much to take, where to take it and why to take it in the 1st place? All amazing stuff!
 
Green Tea - 20/5/2014 00:11

Microbiologist Don Ewert (PhD, University of Georgia); "Kinesins are indeed a marvel of design, as this video illustrates. But this begs the question of how they know where to take their cargo? Where is the plan for the microtubular highway they follow? The coordination and targeted specificity of intracellular transport pathways testify to design by an intelligent agent."

http://www.evolutionnews.org/2014/05/how_do_kinesins085741.html

How do they what to take, how much to take, where to take it and why to take it in the 1st place? All amazing stuff!
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Evolution News isn't a scientific website. It' a Creationist fraud.

The fact you blindly believe everything they publish, whilst ignoring more reputable information just shows how lost you are.

I ask you for the same level of proof that you ask of me. Go on, prove it was an Intelligent Designer.



And on Don Ewert:-

http://pandasthumb.org/archives/2010/12/the-immune-syst.html

Ewert’s reply basically boils down to vague denial of vast amounts of detailed work in evolutionary immunology.

When you make these kinds of claims in the teeth of an entire specialized subfield which refutes you, it’s your credibility that’s shot.
 
david-avfc - 20/5/2014 01:58

Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it must be because of a higher intelligence.
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Nice try, David, but he'll ignore it. Anything that doesn't comply with his narrow view on the world doesn't compute. I'd be surprised if he is allowed to drive a car, because he doesn't understand how the engine works.
 
david-avfc - 20/5/2014 01:58

Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it must be because of a higher intelligence.
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That my friend is where you are wrong. You have already answered the puzzle.

If I gave you all the parts, every small nut and bolt to build a "non living"(which is far less complex than a living cell) motor car, could it be built without a designer? This is not even questioning how the parts all came about in the exact form in the 1st place(which is another question altogether).

And if you are so understanding in the complexity of the inner workings of the living cell maybe you could share this information?

Like, we can forget our road network like the M1 or the M42, forget the transport on these roads that move various objects from one end of the country to another. Which if im mistaken were all designed by man were they not? Yet before all these roads, transport systems that "we designed" - a more complex system was already in operation within the living cell. Yet this cell is far smarter, as the road gets built as the transport system moves. And the transport system dosnt move until the cargo is ready for dispatch. And just like our delivery systems/transport systems, each cargo comes in different sizes and has to be transported to it's correct address. Only thing is, unlike man made systems where we sometimes get the address wrong, Kinesin gets it right and on time.

So what does the delivery system Kinesin deliver on its self constructing "amazing" highways? = They deliver "parts" just like car parts only far more important as they are used for the cell make up and its functions, different components of cytoskeleton for instance.

I have some questions;

What keeps the kinesin inactive in the absence of any cargo?
How does it sort its cargo into size, weight prior to dispatch to know where to deliver it to? Is there a sorting department telling it where to go etc?
Where does the thinking/intelligence come from within the Kinesin to enable it to function? Does it need a brain?
And who designed the Kinesin in the 1st place, it has a tail and two feet and he is a very, very smart little guy?
 
By the way if anybody hasnt watched the video yet(link on my 1st post in the thread) I recommend the watch - awesome stuff and its only 3 mins long.
 
You can listen to a religious zealot nutjob, or, you can read a real Scientists results here:

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2148/10/110/

To shed light on the cellular complexity of the last common eukaryotic ancestor, we analyzed the kinesin motor protein superfamily using comparative genomics, protein domain architecture analysis and the most comprehensive supported kinesin motor domain phylogeny to date.

 
Can you explain this part please?

"The prevailing trend in current models of early eukaryotic cell evolution is the proposal of stepwise acquisition of cellular complexity with particular extant eukaryotic lineages being identified as derived from intermediary and primitive phases of early eukaryotic evolution (reviewed in [1]). This idea is contradicted by the results presented here, which demonstrate that, at least for the kinesin-driven cytoskeleton, the LCEA already possessed a highly complex cellular form before giving rise to any of the sampled extant eukaryotic groups."

"the history of kinesins is in many cases a history of paralog loss from an ancestral form which possessed a motor repertoire more complex than many extant organisms."
 
Yes, it means that the cells had already developed to quite a complex form by the time our oldest common ancestor existed. The rest of the study then shows how they then evolve further into every living eukaryote today.

Did you think that mean it couldn't have evolved from a simpler form in previous species? Aaahh. That's so cute!!!!
 
Here you go ive translated it into layman for you!

The current trend in current models of early eu cell evolution is the guess of a step by step addition of cellular intelligence, in particular the latest eu cell families being identified as coming from earlier and more primitive phases of eu cell evolution.

This idea is contradicted by the results presented here....Which demonstrate that, at least for the kinesin-driven cytoskeleton, that the early eu cell already possessed a highly complex cellular form before giving rise to any of the sampled latest eukaryotic cell groups."

"the history of kinesins is in many cases a history of information loss from an ancestral form which possessed a motor repertoire more complex than many of today's organisms."
 
Everything changes in the form of info loss(which is what they found)..Its called decay, getting old, wearing out etc etc. It happens to us all and observed in everyday life.

So basically what they observed in the early eu cell in regards to the kinesins - is a fine tuned, complex, intelligent motor system. More so than what they now find in today's eu cells.

You call it change, I call it decay(getting on a bit over time/ageing).
 
The research shows the family tree you would expect from the theory of evolution, including the timescales. Genetically, it proves that we have a common ancestor around 1.65 billion years old.

If I concede that your creator did build these at that time, that still throws everything else you believe out of the windows. Are you really prepared to advocate a theory which proves beyond doubt your timescales are wrong?
 
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