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Lol nice rewriting of history, you called for herd immunity through people just catching it. If we do achieve it (and you know variants change things) then it's because of vaccinating.

Weird answer with regard to climate change too

Why is it a weird answer re: climate change? It is changing.
You questioned if I believe it and I do. Not sure what else you wanted me to say.
 
It isn't always about government indifference and big pharma chasing the big buck. (Often, but not always.) SARS-CoV2 and Malaria are very different beasts.

There has been a huge amount of political will and expenditure to try to reduce the harm done by malaria through programmes of all kinds: house nets, bed nets, education programmes, cleaning up mosquito breeding pools, insecticides, surveillance/monitoring, discrimination of species, acoustic deterrents, acoustic mating disruptors, olfactory deterrents, preventative medicines, treatment medicines, release of sterile males, release of males with other types of genetic modifications that are lethal to their young, and probably many more efforts that I cannot think of off the top of my head. It's hard. There are vaccines but they haven't worked very well to date because of the nature of malaria - maybe the latest will turn the tide.


Why it is hard:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3736123/

Optimism about malaria in general:
https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190522-how-the-malaria-vaccine-could-change-world-health#:~:text=The new vaccine has been,$700m (£552m).

Optimism about how the new mRNA methods (that are being trialed for pretty much the first time to prevent Covid19) will be absolutely revolutionary and democratise vaccines for many different diseases. Lightning fast and super cheap:
https://de.reuters.com/article/us-h...ould-help-defeat-other-diseases-idINKBN27W2PJ
Anyone seen the malaria news today? Unfuckingbelievable.

The day job of the Jenner institute before covid got in the way.
:bow:
 
New cases down again today to 1159 per day as we move closer to the lowest levels recorded in the last 12 months despite the contant stories/fears of new variants messing up the plan. Vaccines ARE working.

Tim Spector.
 
Saved by the NHS and the way they've handled the vaccinations.

Imagine if this corrupt govt had given the contracts to the NHS for test and trace they would've saved many lives. But the govt were too busy giving public money to their donors and mates.
The NHS are not resourced to deliver such a huge undertaking. If they had been given the job they would have needed to recruit 1000's of extra staff which would probably have cost just as much as it has in the private sector, and it would have got in the way of what they are supposed to be doing. The only way to deliver the system at speed and scale was through a joint public sector (local authorities) & private sector, which is what happened.
We all know it hasn't been perfect, but the testing side of things seems to have gone well after a patchy start, and my personal experience of the tracking & tracing is that they are doing OK, they can only be as good as the info they receive from those who are infected. When I was named as a direct contact with someone who tested positive I had text & e mail within minutes telling me to self isolate and until when.
I really think it is time people stopped obsessing about how much it has cost, whichever way the Government chose to deliver the system would have cost vast amounts.
 
The NHS are not resourced to deliver such a huge undertaking. If they had been given the job they would have needed to recruit 1000's of extra staff which would probably have cost just as much as it has in the private sector, and it would have got in the way of what they are supposed to be doing. The only way to deliver the system at speed and scale was through a joint public sector (local authorities) & private sector, which is what happened.
We all know it hasn't been perfect, but the testing side of things seems to have gone well after a patchy start, and my personal experience of the tracking & tracing is that they are doing OK, they can only be as good as the info they receive from those who are infected. When I was named as a direct contact with someone who tested positive I had text & e mail within minutes telling me to self isolate and until when.
I really think it is time people stopped obsessing about how much it has cost, whichever way the Government chose to deliver the system would have cost vast amounts.
It's been far from perfect!

It's obvious that from the start, that the tories have prioritised giving any tory donor or mate contracts to benefit those. Even if they weren't specialist in that field.

It's called corruption.

But yeah let's lay off the govt. Nothing to see here. Move along.
 
It's been far from perfect!

It's obvious that from the start, that the tories have prioritised giving any tory donor or mate contracts to benefit those. Even if they weren't specialist in that field.

It's called corruption.

But yeah let's lay off the govt. Nothing to see here. Move along.

yeah what should have happened is these contracts should have gone out three companies to tender, then the best would have been down selected after a few meetings to assess the winner.
Meanwhile many more people would have died.
the EU is a perfect example of slow moving bureaucracy.
 
yeah what should have happened is these contracts should have gone out three companies to tender, then the best would have been down selected after a few meetings to assess the winner.
Meanwhile many more people would have died.
the EU is a perfect example of slow moving bureaucracy.
So giving contracts to people not setup to deliver or with no expertise was the best way?

And don't forget it took the Tories ages to take this pandemic seriously. They thought that they knew the best way to handle it. Which cost many lives. When we knew from other countries what was coming our way.
 
Why is it a weird answer re: climate change? It is changing.
You questioned if I believe it and I do. Not sure what else you wanted me to say.


Because your response was of someone that denies climate change is driven by man without explicitly stating it.

Herd immunity with vaccination is vastly different to the path you argued for.
 
Did you know when looking at age standardised mortality numbers, in England and Wales, with a view to seeing how mortality rates compare with other years, that every year up to and including 2008, had higher excess deaths than 2020?

Yes, i would imagine u see that seeing as our population is rising.
 
Completely disagree.
We can't keep the restrictions, on the off chance that we may get a vaccine-evading variant in the Autumn.

No but there is a road map and probably for the best if boris keeps his stupid hands off it and we all stick to it. That way we have a chance to measure stuff and make future decisions on evidence not your preferred method of wishing something were true.