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I'm always critical of the Tories.

RLB was more vocal about safety in schools. Way back she was suggesting other ideas on how best to make schools safer. I'm not saying that the tories were going to listen but at least she was doing her job by holding them to account. Instead of backing the Tories.

Don't get me wrong this is 100% Tories f#ck up! But Labour could and should be showing more ambition and showing the country what they would do in govt.

Lol the same things have been said by Starmer and Kate Green have done so on numerous occasions. Do I have to copy and paste for you?

I notice you didn't condemn Corbyn for ordering Labour to vote with the Tories to erode our civil liberties. How is that acceptable? You also didn't list the policy successes Corbyn achieved with a hung parliament?
 
Doesn't change my point. We're too successful for our own good, while abusing the environment and other species.

It'll all end in tears. This is just the start.

Beyond Pope's ludicrous efforts to blame a generation just a bit older than him, this is humanity's fuck-up and it won't go away.
Hold on, where have I done that, and what have I blamed them for? Evidence please
 
There are people starving in the world
Dieing of thirst
Being bombed
Imprisoned
Kids being used as sex slaves being trafficked
Murdered
Raped
Tortured

Some of that is happening to kids in this country too

Our kids in this country generally have a very decent life

So fucking what they are missing out on a few things

They have missed out on a lot of the freedoms we had as kids and they seem to be ok

It really fucking annoys me when you see people saying it's been hard looking after their kids and I get that every situation is different but dont fucking have kids if you aren't prepared to raise them in difficult circumstances
 
There are people starving in the world
Dieing of thirst
Being bombed
Imprisoned
Kids being used as sex slaves being trafficked
Murdered
Raped
Tortured

Some of that is happening to kids in this country too

Our kids in this country generally have a very decent life

So fucking what they are missing out on a few things

They have missed out on a lot of the freedoms we had as kids and they seem to be ok

It really fucking annoys me when you see people saying it's been hard looking after their kids and I get that every situation is different but dont fucking have kids if you aren't prepared to raise them in difficult circumstances
That is a daft argument in the extreme.

As long as your kids are better off than one that's being tortured or raped, then it doesn't matter what's happening?

Come on. This has been awful. During the war my grandad was a kid and used to say it was a great time. Worries, yes, but he got to know all the planes was never hungry and following it was exciting.

This isn't exciting for kids. Your list; well, even hard, streetwise DF would be shocked by some of the things the gangs get up to with 11 and 12 year olds in Meadows, Aspley, Radford, St Annes Bilborough, Top Valley etc. I know you reckon you are proper streetwise, but i'm telling you; your list is happening on those streets while those kids are freely available and not in school.

My daughter is autistic. She needs to be around other kids to see how to behave socially; she doesn't inherently get it. Four months into the March lockdown and her behaviour had got downright odd just for lack of being around other kids. This isn't nothing.

I'm totally confused as to what is right. Seeing a lot of media and parents calling for all schools to be shut. The unions are calling for that as well; of course they are, it's their job to protect teachers, not children. And I'm seeing reports of this new strain putting younger people and children in hospital and that scares me more than anything we've encountered so far.

Then we have the Telegraph headline "Teachers demand schools close" which really annoys me, because that isn't what has happened before; the union heads are NOT teachers and nor do they ballot us before taking policy decisions.

And the government doesn't seem to have a clue whether it is safe for schools to be open or not. I never believe a Tory who goes on about caring for the education and mental health of kids, ever. I just don't believe it actually matters to them for state kids. I'm guessing what they want is free childcare so parents can remain at work and the economy keeps ticking over.
 
We've managed to pick up the latest variation in the virus and once again we have boundaries closed between states and lockdowns all over the place. In Sydney we're back on the wearing of masks, backed up by the police and all the other restrictions to go with it. It's only a few days since we thought we were almost free of it.

And the Govt makes no allowances for old fogies either. Doesn't sit well with me.
 

Seeing more and more reports like this.

If this holds true, and translates into higher fatalities then we need to scrap the entire vaccination programme as it is and refocus on vaccinating our children first
Yes there must be an argument for vaccinating the working age population & perhaps children first as they are the people most likely to contract & spread the virus, but of course up to now they are statistically lower risk for hospitalisation. It's a really tricky question. Basically the vax programme need to get itself into gear either way and vaccinate people as fast as it can be supplied, not suggesting 24 / 7 but equally it shouldn't be a 9-5 programme they should use all available time / facilities / staff.
 
Yes there must be an argument for vaccinating the working age population & perhaps children first as they are the people most likely to contract & spread the virus, but of course up to now they are statistically lower risk for hospitalisation. It's a really tricky question. Basically the vax programme need to get itself into gear either way and vaccinate people as fast as it can be supplied, not suggesting 24 / 7 but equally it shouldn't be a 9-5 programme they should use all available time / facilities / staff.

24/7 is gonna be happening.
 

Seeing more and more reports like this.

If this holds true, and translates into higher fatalities then we need to scrap the entire vaccination programme as it is and refocus on vaccinating our children first

Whilst it’s very difficult to argue with that logic, I very much doubt it will be considered.
Younger are still statistically far more likely to survive, so mortality will be far greater if we de-prioritise the elderly.
 
Whilst it’s very difficult to argue with that logic, I very much doubt it will be considered.
Younger are still statistically far more likely to survive, so mortality will be far greater if we de-prioritise the elderly.
If mortality stays exactly where it is. But it won't, because this new strain behaves differently in children and we haven't seen that played out yet.

There is absolutely no limit on the number of elderly I would see die before I would see any harm come to either of my children, and I don't know many parents who would feel differently. If the mortality rate of this virus does change there is going to be a very nasty confrontation of priorities in this country.
 
Lol the same things have been said by Starmer and Kate Green have done so on numerous occasions. Do I have to copy and paste for you?

I notice you didn't condemn Corbyn for ordering Labour to vote with the Tories to erode our civil liberties. How is that acceptable? You also didn't list the policy successes Corbyn achieved with a hung parliament?
If you had noticed people are fed up of talking about him. So I've been doing my best not to mention him. I've pointed out his achievements. You disagreed. Let's move on...
 
If mortality stays exactly where it is. But it won't, because this new strain behaves differently in children and we haven't seen that played out yet.

There is absolutely no limit on the number of elderly I would see die before I would see any harm come to either of my children, and I don't know many parents who would feel differently. If the mortality rate of this virus does change there is going to be a very nasty confrontation of priorities in this country.

Indeed. Fingers crossed that awful scenario never materialises.
 
No, what I am saying there is a fact.

I don't want to get into WWII specifically because that is a very emotive one for many people (who mostly weren't there).

But I am telling you, that no king, no PM, no leader in history has ever said, unequivocally "you must say at home" to British subjects or citizens as a whole. There have never been restrictions on the reasons why you can leave your home. Not since the 14th century have there been prohibitions on someone leaving their local area. I cannot think of a period in which inns, restaurants, cafes or public houses have ever been nationally told they cannot open for an extended period.

This isn't remotely close to rationing, which really isn't anything new in british history; we have experienced a very light rationing ourselves given that several products were restricted in how many you could buy. Rationing is to manage shortages; it is nothing unique like the other restrictions are.

Conscription isn't anything unique to the 20th century either, but that is the most extreme example and isn't the same at all. We aren't being called to defend our nation from invaders, to preserve our culture and our way of life; our right to go to the pub, the local shops, move and work where we want, socialise how we want. Instead, we are being called to destroy our way of life, at least temporarily, to save the lives primarily of your generation and partly of mine- but not theirs.

We build cenotaphs to honour those who fought, soni don't think a bit of appreciation and respect is out of order.
You don't half talk load of bollocks
 
There's no actual plan to vaccinate under 50s currently, apart from those with medical conditions.

That’s the current plan but it is very fluid as you know. Extended time between doses has only just changed which will hopefully help many more get a good level of protection more quickly.

The 24/7 will be challenging too, getting vulnerable people out at 1:00 in the morning in the winter for a jab.
 
If you had noticed people are fed up of talking about him. So I've been doing my best not to mention him. I've pointed out his achievements. You disagreed. Let's move on...

What policy achievements did he have? We talk about him because that's your motivation for constantly attacking Labour rather than the Tories.