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You really are the biggest hate monger on this forum.

I wonder what your proportion of aggressive, insulting or accusatory posts are to those actually making a point? For some reason, it's all point scoring not point making.
I take that as a compliment coming from yourself.

One day I will have a cushy government 'socialist' unionized job that allows me to waste all day long pontificating at the expense of the working class tax payer. Then I might have time to put forward well reasoned, enlightening arguments like you do.

Maybe I would come up with an explanation as to why you constantly try to spin the need to turn the Labour party into a centre right / centrist party when there is an existing one that never has a chance forming a government already filling that tiny niche in British politics?
 

radfordinlondon

Vital Champions League
Thats just yet another opinion though isnt it? This time its yours. Why post that as a reply to me?
I posted it as because u appeared to suggest the tories are doing a better job than labour.

None of things i posted are opinions.

Tens of thousands dead, check
Billions lost or wasted, check
Led by bullies, check
Debt more than 100% gdp, check.

These are facts chap, not opinions.

Liars and theives- i think the evidence is overwhelming but perhaps i give u the benefit of the doubt on these two.
 

Pope John XXIII

Vital Football Legend
I take that as a compliment coming from yourself.

One day I will have a cushy government 'socialist' unionized job that allows me to waste all day long pontificating at the expense of the working class tax payer. Then I might have time to put forward well reasoned, enlightening arguments like you do.

Maybe I would come up with an explanation as to why you constantly try to spin the need to turn the Labour party into a centre right / centrist party when there is an existing one that never has a chance forming a government already filling that tiny niche in British politics?
You wouldn't last two minutes in my job. Not even two.

It must be great to write the occasional scientific paper (if, indeed, that is true) and then spend the rest of your time angrily abusing people online and accusing them of knowing less about the country they live in than you do from thousands of miles away.

What is really amusing is to watch you gloss over anti semitism in the Labour party, and then use the exact same tactics you accuse the Labour centre and the media of to accuse CP of anti semitism. Hypocrisy takes many forms

It is amusing to see DF running round your feet like a dog begging for treats from it's master though, fair play
 

radfordinlondon

Vital Champions League
I take that as a compliment coming from yourself.

One day I will have a cushy government 'socialist' unionized job that allows me to waste all day long pontificating at the expense of the working class tax payer. Then I might have time to put forward well reasoned, enlightening arguments like you do.

Maybe I would come up with an explanation as to why you constantly try to spin the need to turn the Labour party into a centre right / centrist party when there is an existing one that never has a chance forming a government already filling that tiny niche in British politics?
Just to point out the difference between social democracy (centre left) and democratic socialism (left) while real, is actually very small. While the difference between democratic socialism (left) and socialism (hard left) is probably much bigger in policy terms.
 
You wouldn't last two minutes in my job. Not even two.

It must be great to write the occasional scientific paper (if, indeed, that is true) and then spend the rest of your time angrily abusing people online and accusing them of knowing less about the country they live in than you do from thousands of miles away.

What is really amusing is to watch you gloss over anti semitism in the Labour party, and then use the exact same tactics you accuse the Labour centre and the media of to accuse CP of anti semitism. Hypocrisy takes many forms

It is amusing to see DF running round your feet like a dog begging for treats from it's master though, fair play
I don't believe I have ever accused your surrogate son of anti-Semitism? Hate speech, stupidity, narcissism, hypocrisy, being related to a scarecrow, spouting anti -science, not being able to parse humour, needing a father figure, having ecclesiastical leanings, picking his nose on public transport, etc etc.. but not anti-Semitism (which is not to say he isn't of course)
 
Just to point out the difference between social democracy (centre left) and democratic socialism (left) while real, is actually very small. While the difference between democratic socialism (left) and socialism (hard left) is probably much bigger in policy terms.
Thanks, as a left libertarian and social democrat I am aware of the distinctions but wish there were less because the left has much more in common in terms of what should unite them than they like to admit to.
 

Calvin Plummer

Vital Football Legend
You wouldn't last two minutes in my job. Not even two.

It must be great to write the occasional scientific paper (if, indeed, that is true) and then spend the rest of your time angrily abusing people online and accusing them of knowing less about the country they live in than you do from thousands of miles away.

What is really amusing is to watch you gloss over anti semitism in the Labour party, and then use the exact same tactics you accuse the Labour centre and the media of to accuse CP of anti semitism. Hypocrisy takes many forms

It is amusing to see DF running round your feet like a dog begging for treats from it's master though, fair play
If indeed...

His obsession with jobs today suggests there are some issues his end with his.
 

Pope John XXIII

Vital Football Legend
I don't believe I have ever accused your surrogate son of anti-Semitism? Hate speech, stupidity, narcissism, hypocrisy, being related to a scarecrow, spouting anti -science, not being able to parse humour, needing a father figure, having ecclesiastical leanings, picking his nose on public transport, etc etc.. but not anti-Semitism (which is not to say he isn't of course)
You might want to have a word with your disciple DF then. He is firmly of another opinion and this post has just emptied most of his fantasy ammo dump.

I think you'll find that CP is older than me, probably pushing a decade so.
 
You wouldn't last two minutes in my job. Not even two.

It must be great to write the occasional scientific paper (if, indeed, that is true) and then spend the rest of your time angrily abusing people online and accusing them of knowing less about the country they live in than you do from thousands of miles away.

What is really amusing is to watch you gloss over anti semitism in the Labour party, and then use the exact same tactics you accuse the Labour centre and the media of to accuse CP of anti semitism. Hypocrisy takes many forms

It is amusing to see DF running round your feet like a dog begging for treats from it's master though, fair play
Has the British trade union movement slipped so badly since I left it's shores that I wouldn't even be able eek out a 120 second grievance / mediation /ADR process, poor owd Len McCluskey must be rolling in his future grave!
 

Pope John XXIII

Vital Football Legend
Has the British trade union movement slipped so badly since I left it's shores that I wouldn't even be able eek out a 120 second grievance / mediation /ADR process, poor owd Len McCluskey must be rolling in his future grave!
No actually, you wouldn't. And Mr McCluskey, thankfully, has nothing to do with schools; not that I am particularly flowing with praise for our actual unions (which no doubt you would have to Google)
 
No actually, you wouldn't. And Mr McCluskey, thankfully, has nothing to do with schools; not that I am particularly flowing with praise for our actual unions (which no doubt you would have to Google)
I used to be a steward for a couple of them so probably not...

Oh yes, those glorious old days when I used to wander around the factories and office blocks of old blighty with my copy of Das Kapital in hand blowing my whistle and shouting 'Everbody out!' One day soon those days will return and the bougoir pigs and backsliding lackeys of capitalism will quake again before the might of union power!

Freedom for Tooting!
 

jbacsta

Vital Squad Member
I posted it as because u appeared to suggest the tories are doing a better job than labour.

None of things i posted are opinions.

Tens of thousands dead, check
Billions lost or wasted, check
Led by bullies, check
Debt more than 100% gdp, check.

These are facts chap, not opinions.

Liars and theives- i think the evidence is overwhelming but perhaps i give u the benefit of the doubt on these two.
Ok nothing better to do for a minute so here is another irrelevant list, but this time with a probable cause. Oh and to save your valuable time you could post it on Vital forums accross the globe.

Tens of thousands dead Covid 19 check
Billions lost or wasted Covid 19 check
Debt more than 100% of gdp Covid 19 check

And last but by no means least.

Led by bullies Who gives a fuck? Certainly not me.

Hows that?
 

radfordinlondon

Vital Champions League
Ok nothing better to do for a minute so here is another irrelevant list, but this time with a probable cause. Oh and to save your valuable time you could post it on Vital forums accross the globe.

Tens of thousands dead Covid 19 check
Billions lost or wasted Covid 19 check
Debt more than 100% of gdp Covid 19 check

And last but by no means least.

Led by bullies Who gives a fuck? Certainly not me.

Hows that?
Ive never really gone for 'everyone is else is shit so why worry' argument as i feel it is not only appallingly weak but that logic is essentially a race to the bottom. Not what i have in mind for our country or the world.

That you dont care about bullying says a lot about you, although i suspect you dont really support bullying. Feel confident that if someone you loved/cared for was being bullied you would not say 'i dont give one', although i could be wrong.

Fwiw It wasnt personal, the original point being the current govt have been shocking, even to those on that side and are clearly not fit for purpose.
 

jbacsta

Vital Squad Member
Ive never really gone for 'everyone is else is shit so why worry' argument as i feel it is not only appallingly weak but that logic is essentially a race to the bottom. Not what i have in mind for our country or the world.

That you dont care about bullying says a lot about you, although i suspect you dont really support bullying. Feel confident that if someone you loved/cared for was being bullied you would not say 'i dont give one', although i could be wrong.

Fwiw It wasnt personal, the original point being the current govt have been shocking, even to those on that side and are clearly not fit for purpose.
Radford i reacted to your post because it was a comment on my answer to a question posed by Pope on my voting preferences, not the level of performance by the Conservative government during the current crisis, if both the major parties had been able to deal with the problem at the same time then a fair comparison cou;ld be arrived at, clearly that is not possible. With regard to bullying i believe a fully grown adult should be capable with dealing with it. Pritti Patel going in with both feet when trying to improve a disfunctional government department doesnt count in the world that i used to work in.
 
Any Tory reading this thread is having a right old laugh at us.

They're thinking that the tories can do no wrong because the left are so divided.

Surely most of us on the left want the same. We want a life where everyone has a chance of building a bright future for themselves. With decent education, services and healthcare available for everyone.

A social security system that looks after those that fall on bad times. Without being made to feel bad having to claim.

Where fascist's aren't given a platform to spread their hatred to millions of people on a daily basis.

Where hard manual work is also rewarded for fair wage.

Employers aren't paying a living wage. So the govt having to top up people's salaries with benefits. Where's the logic in that? If you're working enough hours in the week you should be earing enough to live on.

Why the f#ck are we rising the military budget to £16bn in theses times.

The Tories are stealing public money and giving it to donors and friends. And guess who's going to suffer again.
 

jbacsta

Vital Squad Member
Any Tory reading this thread is having a right old laugh at us.

They're thinking that the tories can do no wrong because the left are so divided.

Surely most of us on the left want the same. We want a life where everyone has a chance of building a bright future for themselves. With decent education, services and healthcare available for everyone.

A social security system that looks after those that fall on bad times. Without being made to feel bad having to claim.

Where fascist's aren't given a platform to spread their hatred to millions of people on a daily basis.

Where hard manual work is also rewarded for fair wage.

Employers aren't paying a living wage. So the govt having to top up people's salaries with benefits. Where's the logic in that? If you're working enough hours in the week you should be earing enough to live on.

Why the f#ck are we rising the military budget to £16bn in theses times.

The Tories are stealing public money and giving it to donors and friends. And guess who's going to suffer again.
And the buzzin of the bees in the cigarette trees and the soda water fountain in that big rock candy mountain......................................................
 

radfordinlondon

Vital Champions League
Radford i reacted to your post because it was a comment on my answer to a question posed by Pope on my voting preferences, not the level of performance by the Conservative government during the current crisis, if both the major parties had been able to deal with the problem at the same time then a fair comparison cou;ld be arrived at, clearly that is not possible. With regard to bullying i believe a fully grown adult should be capable with dealing with it. Pritti Patel going in with both feet when trying to improve a disfunctional government department doesnt count in the world that i used to work in.
Hard to believe anyone could have done worse imho.

In terms of bullying, i completely agree with you when both sides are equal. However, definition of a bullying is where two adults/kids are not equal. In the case of patel, she is the employer, a position of power. Her behaviour should be beneath that of an ordinary employer, much less a great office of state. There are plenty of legal processes to use if she feels her people were not up to the job.

Bojo's failure to fire her shows how weak he really is, not to mention the absolute moral bankruptcy of it. Its an embarrassment to the nation and another piece of evidence, if more were.needed, of their utter unsuitibility to govern.

Only one phrase is appropriate and it's one we all know very well...

Bloody disgrace.