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in_the_top_one

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I know everyone on here loves the political point scoring, but if you believe Tory/Leavers are older, it's pretty obvious that as a general rule they are isolating (for obvious reasons). It's actually the Labour/Remainers who are the main ones who are breaking the lockdown, if you go by age.

Young adults most likely age group to be infected with coronavirus, new data shows
Scientists said the findings reflected the fact young people were most likely to socialise and possibly to flout lockdown advice

https://inews.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-latest-young-men-lockdown-rules-2848001
It's obvious that some will be wallies and that young men tend to fall into that category most frequently. Half the people in parts of that survey are still too young to vote, let alone at the referendum.

It is quite clear that, on balance, more lefties were arguing for lockdown and the right were resisting. Can you really not see a correlation in what I said in my post? It's even self evident here on vital.
 

JC21

Vital Squad Member
But Cummings won't resign. He won't care, Johnson won't dare; I don't think a thought goes through Johnson's head without it being told him by Cummings first.

They will brazen it out, knowing full well their baying Mail reading fan base will show faux outrage at a scientist breaking the lockdown and no interest at all when a member of his government does it.
Wouldn't surprise me to see him resign
 

Pope John XXIII

Vital Football Legend
I know everyone on here loves the political point scoring, but if you believe Tory/Leavers are older, it's pretty obvious that as a general rule they are isolating (for obvious reasons). It's actually the Labour/Remainers who are the main ones who are breaking the lockdown, if you go by age.

Young adults most likely age group to be infected with coronavirus, new data shows
Scientists said the findings reflected the fact young people were most likely to socialise and possibly to flout lockdown advice

https://inews.co.uk/news/health/coronavirus-latest-young-men-lockdown-rules-2848001
Hold on a minute

For a start, your conflation of labour/remainers is utterly disingenuous. You and other have been quite insistent that the story of the last election was labour losing because their own voters switched sides over brexit.

There is absolutely no question that the prime breakers of this lockdown are young people. Not young people actually; young men and boys. You can probably throw a rough 14-26 male age group on it. No idea if racial/cultural background makes any difference, but all the ones I see are white.

Around 50% of this age group were disenfranchised in 2016, so they are not "remainers" in terms of the old battle lines; you brexiteers fought tooth and nail to prevent them having a say in their future.

They are also the least likely demographic in the country to vote at all.

So no, they are not labour/remainers, but congratulations on your first stupid/callous comment of the bank holiday weekend. Always good to get some points in the bag early.

Interesting to see you trying to politicise the least political demographic in the country in the name of sycophancy to a government that has contributed to the deaths of perhaps 60,000
 

Pope John XXIII

Vital Football Legend
The Government also clearly knew he had broken Lockdown rules, and he had symptoms...
Yeah, awkward that.

I really, really hope some journalists are going to ask repeated questions on the hypocrisy of that.

Did anyone see Patel's interview yesterday? It was a wonder of meaningless words.

Quarantine of people coming into the country will be there to save lives apparently. But it doesn't come in for another 2 weeks.

Patel was asked why, if this was going to save lives, it wasnt happening now; this is from Huffpost (link)

Patel replied: “As I outlined in the statement quite clearly, we said very clearly now that as the number of infections within the UK dropped, we have to now manage the risk of external transmission, so more people are now travelling.

“Obviously, because other countries are bringing in their own measures in terms of opening up their own countries and society, and so this is now about managing the risk of transmissions being reintroduced from elsewhere. So that is really vital.

“And that is why we are bringing the measures in now. We want to reduce the risk of imported cases being introduced to the UK and to prevent and stop a second wave of this dreadful virus.”


I particularly love the hint of arrogant irritation at the question even being asked at the beginning.

If anyone can infer any kind of coherent answer to the very valid question asked (or even a coherent sentence) from the home secretary then I would appreciate the translation
 

The Poacher

Vital Squad Member
Yeah, awkward that.

I really, really hope some journalists are going to ask repeated questions on the hypocrisy of that.

Did anyone see Patel's interview yesterday? It was a wonder of meaningless words.

Quarantine of people coming into the country will be there to save lives apparently. But it doesn't come in for another 2 weeks.

Patel was asked why, if this was going to save lives, it wasnt happening now; this is from Huffpost (link)

Patel replied: “As I outlined in the statement quite clearly, we said very clearly now that as the number of infections within the UK dropped, we have to now manage the risk of external transmission, so more people are now travelling.

“Obviously, because other countries are bringing in their own measures in terms of opening up their own countries and society, and so this is now about managing the risk of transmissions being reintroduced from elsewhere. So that is really vital.

“And that is why we are bringing the measures in now. We want to reduce the risk of imported cases being introduced to the UK and to prevent and stop a second wave of this dreadful virus.”

I particularly love the hint of arrogant irritation at the question even being asked at the beginning.

If anyone can infer any kind of coherent answer to the very valid question asked (or even a coherent sentence) from the home secretary then I would appreciate the translation
Clear to me, the government are setting out their stall with regards to other countries rules.
 

Pope John XXIII

Vital Football Legend
Dominic Cummings explanation is extraordinary.

He claims that when his wife got ill with CV, he expected to get ill too and was worried they wouldn't be able to look after their child. So he drove hundreds of miles north to Durham, while they had CV, to be near to his sister and parents.

The statement says that at no point were they spoken to by police; this despite a Durham police statement yesterday clearly stating that they were. Are No.10 lying, or Durham police?

The No.10 response claims that his actions were in line with the government guidelines. Let me remind you of those guidlines:

Screenshot_20200523-104213_Twitter.jpg Already we have had his old mate Govey on twitter saying "looking after your wife and child is not a crime". Well no, it's just against the rules you yourselves laid out for all of us.

The hypocrisy of this is absolutely staggering. The defence will be an emotional one; yes, we can all imagine making this calculation and wanting to do this. But most of us didn't, because despite the lie coming from no.10 today, the guidelines very clearly told us we couldn't.

Boris has already sabotaged his own lockdown with his farcical statement the other week. This will be the last nail in the coffin of preventative measures. Why would anyone obey these rules after two months when his own people won't? Let's not forget that Johnson himself ended up in ICU because he also would not obey the social distancing rules of his own governement and pointlessly shook hands with CV patients. That didn't shave even one minute off their hospital stay, but it did take up a lot of nurses and a bed when he ended up in trouble.
 

Lienking

Vital 1st Team Regular
So no, they are not labour/remainers, but congratulations on your first stupid/callous comment
Congratulations on proving, yet again, that you are incapable of holding a rational discussion without insulting anyone. Education gives you insight or something like that, you once said. If only it was true in your case. And it's not like I'm the only one you end up insulting. You can't even discuss Forest with people without resorting to insults.

I guess, as a bully, you don't really want anyone with a different opinion to you to post on here, but of course anything on here doesn't change the real world.
 

Pope John XXIII

Vital Football Legend
Congratulations on proving, yet again, that you are incapable of holding a rational discussion without insulting anyone. Education gives you insight or something like that, you once said. If only it was true in your case. And it's not like I'm the only one you end up insulting. You can't even discuss Forest with people without resorting to insults.

I guess, as a bully, you don't really want anyone with a different opinion to you to post on here, but of course anything on here doesn't change the real world.
I'm perfectly capable of holding a rational discussion without insulting people and do it every day.

It is exceptionally hard in just one case though- yours. I am not the only one who finds that; Mao also seems to feel the same way about your utter callousness.

You call me a bully, then vote for the party of bullies and defend them. Go you
 

Lienking

Vital 1st Team Regular
Hold on a minute

For a start, your conflation of labour/remainers is utterly disingenuous. You and other have been quite insistent that the story of the last election was labour losing because their own voters switched sides over brexit.


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The "conflation" doesn't come from me though, does it. There are hundreds of posts on here saying that Leave voters are old, that the Tories are killing their own old supporters etc. According to the demographics on here young = Labour and young=Remain. Then when young people break the lockdown , they are all Brexiteers according to ITTO. Doesn't quite stack up.
 

Pope John XXIII

Vital Football Legend
The "conflation" doesn't come from me though, does it. There are hundreds of posts on here saying that Leave voters are old, that the Tories are killing their own old supporters etc. According to the demographics on here young = Labour and young=Remain. Then when young people break the lockdown , they are all Brexiteers according to ITTO. Doesn't quite stack up.
No, the conflation is coming from you and you are equating the failure of the lockdown with a group of people to a political position that they dont't necessarily hold.

80% of younger (18-24) people voted for remain- out of those that voted. Those same people are now 22-28; no longer the most prime demographic who are breaking the lockdown actually.

Young people are more likely to vote labour, but less likely to vote. The lads I see on the local skate park, or smoking weed together on a park bench, or racing through the streets in their cars clearly drunk, may be ardent labour voters; but I doubt it.

Leave voters did tend to be older, up to a point. Once you get to the "greatest" generation, the people in their 80's who actually fought Hitler (as opposed to their children pretending they did), the rate of voting leave actually goes down. It's still a majority of them, but they were more likely to remain than the boomers. And the stats show clearly it is this greatest generation who are the overwhelming victims of this virus, and particularly the governement throwing care homes under a bus.

I have told you repeatedly that age was not the key definer of who voted what; education level was. You don't like the implications you percieve from that, so pretend it's not true.

Young people are not breaking the lockdown because they voted Labour or remain, even if that were true. It is illegitimate to politicise that.

It is however legitimate to point out that boomers, who disproportionately vote Tory and all that means for the NHS, are perhaps displaying hypocrisy when they laid an NHS they knew they were voting cuts for.
 

in_the_top_one

Vital Football Hero
I didn't actually write that. I wrote that the people saying that are the same. The subsection of youth that you are drawing attention to are disobedient but don't have much of a voice. I want talking about lockdown breakers. In the ruling class, it is - in the main - conservatives calling for a reopening.
 

Lienking

Vital 1st Team Regular
I'm perfectly capable of holding a rational discussion without insulting people and do it every day.

It is exceptionally hard in just one case though- yours. I am not the only one who finds that; Mao also seems to feel the same way about your utter callousness.

You call me a bully, then vote for the party of bullies and defend them. Go you
I'm the exception. I'm only going from memory , but you end up in arguments and insulting people even on the Forest thread, not to mention the same in Labour discussions when I'm not here. I'm not callous. We live in a world where the Tories are being moaned at for whatever they do. The demographics on here just hate the Tories full stop. I'm sure they have made some wrong decisions, but I've seen no criticism of Labour in Wales (why didn't they lockdown early), or the SNP in Scotland (hid the Nike? conference infection) etc.

You blame the Tories for 60,000 deaths. Did they kill the people in France, Spain, Italy,Sweden, Belgium etc too ? Have you allowed for the fact they were put in an impossible situation, that the science advice was conflicting or poor, that England is the most densely populated large country in Europe , obesity etc.

What is callous about stating the fact that people will die from non-covid illnesses if things don't get back to normal. What is callous about actually stating scientific views. I don't pretend to know if they are right, but they are the best info we have.

Interesting to read that whilst the Unions are doing their best to stop the country getting back to work, Starmer has been sending his own children to school. People talk about schools "re-opening". As far as I can tell, some of them never even closed, though I appreciate that dealing with more will be difficult.

Also strange that independent sage said the risk of a child dying at school is about the same as the risk of them dying in a traffic accident. So sending them back to school is "callous", but letting them die of sepsis, traffic accidents etc out of school is ok .