Could this be Lincoln City in a few years time?

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redimps1

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Im going to watch Aston Villa v Brentford tonight and i believe Brentford could be a good role model for us! Im not sure how long ago we played Brentford in the league but they arent i believe a money club in London.
They produce alot of good players,yes sell regularly and play an attractive style of football still.IMO
Slightly bigger club than Crewe or Burton to do so in the championship.
 
I have seen Brentford a few times over the past two or three years and they have always impressed me with the way they play and conduct themselves. Dean Smith is doing a good job there.
 
Less season tickets but higher attendances, you wonder what we could average in the Championship with much higher away attendances. But yes they have a money man, probably shows what you need to compete in that league
 
Let's put things in perspective. Brentford have a very, very valuable ground in west London which has been sold for residential development. Work has commenced in the last few months on their new 17,250 capacity state of the art stadium, within half a mile of the old stadium.

The development includes 900 new homes. That is about where the comparison to Lincoln's western corridor ends.

https://newstadium.brentfordfc.com/?_ga=2.227091802.67062175.1534970280-953995664.1534970280
 
The owner is very keen on player stats, so there is a bit of a link there, but you can't compare because, like Bournemouth, they have someone pumping money in.

That money never comes back out.

Brentford have accumulated losses of 35 million in the last five years of Matthew Benham's involvement. Let me write that Brentford loss in numbers: 35,000,000.

That's effectively losing over 130,000 per week for 260 consecutive weeks.

Anyone want to put that sort of money up? Keep your hands up while I count you all
 
Brendan Bradley said:
The owner is very keen on player stats, so there is a bit of a link there, but you can't compare because, like Bournemouth, they have someone pumping money in.

That money never comes back out.

Brentford have accumulated losses of 35 million in the last five years of Matthew Benham's involvement. Let me write that Brentford loss in numbers: 35,000,000.

That's effectively losing over 130,000 per week for 260 consecutive weeks.

Anyone want to put that sort of money up? Keep your hands up while I count you all
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I think you're missing the point of a moneyball approach...

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...e-oakland-as-how-has-it-been-so-misunderstood

"In short, what the A’s were doing was not a means of producing the best baseball team; but it was the most efficient and only way a franchise like the A’s—who cannot enter the marketplace for the league’s premier players—could realistically become and stay competitive."

But critics and “haters” of Moneyball should pause to remember that the book did not seek to demonstrate that organizations that bunt are stupid; it is a broader story of how a business allowed itself to compete—by getting more value for its dollar than everybody else—in a business landscape dominated by resource inequality.

It doesn't matter that he's putting millions of pounds in. Moneyball isn't about how much you put in, it's about finding value in things the big spending clubs you can't compete with financially have missed. He's building something that will get more than that value out of the players they are focussing on from the ages of 17-20. He's trying to build a club that can compete with the financial big hitters in London for talent.

With the £1.5 million a year saved, the club decided to do something revolutionary: A B-team focused on players aged 17 to early 20s was launched last summer. The new strategy was created with two targets in mind: "the rejects," players released or unwanted by other English clubs, and overseas players, who would see Brentford as a path to English football, and ultimately the Premier League.

"First, the rejects. When they were running their academy, Brentford's location in London was a disadvantage:"
"Rather than seeing them as an enemy now, we see them as a collaboration partner,"
 
Brentford are still a small fish in a big pond, and sell on their best players year on year. If we were ever able to reach the Championship we would be a little stickle-back.
I think we would have to be be taking ideas from all small clubs who manage to make it to the Championship. We can be Rotherham and Doncaster I have no doubt.
 
For me, the really interesting bit (and it is a long article with lots in it) is the analysis and stats being deployed in lots of different areas and the associated challenging of accepted norms and awkward questions. One part that chimes with the many hours I have spent watching kids football is the complete ignorance of the benefit of working on throw-ins and dead ball situations. The amount of times that the ball is re-introduced in to play isn't at all mirrored by the amount of time spent working on what is the best way to do that while either maintaining possession or posing a goal-threat.

One stat is that 35% of goals come from dead ball situations, yet only about 10% of time is spent working on them. That is clearly not the most appropriate use of resources. When was the last time you saw a cleverly worked throw-in, or goal-kick where everyone went left until two players peeled off to the right, received the ball and started an attack down the right flank?

I can foresee an awful lot of development over the next 10 years and if we are at the forefront of more of that, then the higher our potential to climb up the leagues.
 
With the £1.5 million a year saved, the club decided to do something revolutionary: A B-team...

with a lot less than that we could start producing something that would make our academy and our academy graduates truly ground breaking… the genuinely two-footed pro-footballer.

then our right back could also be our left back, and our left midfielder could also be our right midfielder… a winger that could cross with both feet would be twice as difficult to keep quiet, the centre forward could shoot with either foot, and the centre back could clear the ball on either side of the penalty box… the squad would effectively double in size and provide way more flexibility, and all the players would be worth at least twice as much.

in the meantime the two year search for a suitable wide left midfielder goes on...
 
cherryexile said:
...the many hours I have spent watching kids football is the complete ignorance of the benefit of working on throw-ins and dead ball situations. The amount of times that the ball is re-introduced in to play isn't at all mirrored by the amount of time spent working on what is the best way to do that while either maintaining possession or posing a goal-threat.
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Depends what age group you are talking about.


nlondonimp said:
With the £1.5 million a year saved, the club decided to do something revolutionary: A B-team... with a lot less than that we could start producing something that would make our academy and our academy graduates truly ground breaking… the genuinely two-footed pro-footballer.
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To find our niche/our USP is the challenge.

Croozey said:
I think we would have to be be taking ideas from all small clubs who manage to make it to the Championship. We can be Rotherham and Doncaster I have no doubt.
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Absolutely and then determine our niche. No two clubs are the same and all are subjected to different environmental factors. Look for ideas to inform a strategy, but not to replicate.

Since US sport has been referenced, I always think there is so much to love about the "whole game experience". Can't wait for the beach towel give away at a Lincoln game. Not so sure about the kiss cam having met some of you.
 
Sincilbanks said:
I think you're missing the point of a moneyball approach...
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I don't think so, I think we may be approaching this from different angles, though.

Matthew Benham's personal financial commitment to Brentford as it stood one year ago was £101,605,790.

Even making a net transfer profit over £8m in 2016-17 they still made almost £1m in losses.

It's a bad example. Someone needs to take that approach and succeed with it on a shoestring budget.
 
Brendan Bradley said:
I don't think so, I think we may be approaching this from different angles, though.

Matthew Benham's personal financial commitment to Brentford as it stood one year ago was £101,605,790.

Even making a net transfer profit over £8m in 2016-17 they still made almost £1m in losses.

It's a bad example. Someone needs to take that approach and succeed with it on a shoestring budget.
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For Brentford to be competing at the top end of the championship with a net loss of only a million quid is amazing I think...
 
Sincilbanks said:
For Brentford to be competing at the top end of the championship with a net loss of only a million quid is amazing I think...
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Sincilbanks, you're not reading through. They've lost 35 million in 5 years. Their structural loss (ie before player trading) is around 9-10 million on a turnover of 12-13 million

That is not a sustainable model by ANY means without someone prepared to throw a substantial amount of money into a hole.
 
Brendan Bradley said:
Sincilbanks, you're not reading through. They've lost 35 million in 5 years. Their structural loss (ie before player trading) is around 9-10 million on a turnover of 12-13 million

That is not a sustainable model by ANY means without someone prepared to throw a substantial amount of money into a hole.
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If they get promoted he'll wipe that out in a season. And their model is precisely designed to offset that loss with player trading. The whole structure of the club is designed to identify cheap talent, coach it, take advantage of the value they have added and flog it on to clubs for whom and extra 5m is nothing.
 
redimps1 said:
Im going to watch Aston Villa v Brentford tonight and i believe Brentford could be a good role model for us! Im not sure how long ago we played Brentford in the league but they arent i believe a money club in London.
They produce alot of good players,yes sell regularly and play an attractive style of football still.IMO
Slightly bigger club than Crewe or Burton to do so in the championship.
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I will have some of what your on please!!
 
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