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Coronavirus

https://abcnews.go.com/US/vast-majority-icu-patients-covid-19-unvaccinated-abc/story?id=79128401

No idea how reliable as a source, but:

"ABC News contacted 50 hospitals in 17 states, and asked them to share data on their ICU wards' current COVID-19 patients, including their vaccination status. In the surveyed hospitals, ABC News found that the overwhelming majority of COVID-19 patients currently being treated in ICUs were unvaccinated."
CNBC had a report on UK vaccinations in October using data obtained from the government
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/22/4-charts-show-how-covid-vaccines-are-working-in-the-uk-.html
 

Davidimp

Vital Football Legend
Dont risk not worth it.
A friend of a friend over the weekend died from it .
Please do all you can to protect yourselves from it.
Pleased to see so many people washing their hands at the weekend at the game.
 

Red Wimp

Vital Champions League
Trevor Sinclair had to be cut off on Talksport when linking recent collapses of footballers with the vaccine (Charlie Wyke being the latest). The well known medical expert Matthew Le Tissier also joined in on Twitter.

Later it is reported Wyke hasn’t had the vaccine but I’m sure people have only seen the first reactions and not the later clarifications.
 
Trevor Sinclair had to be cut off on Talksport when linking recent collapses of footballers with the vaccine (Charlie Wyke being the latest). The well known medical expert Matthew Le Tissier also joined in on Twitter.

Later it is reported Wyke hasn’t had the vaccine but I’m sure people have only seen the first reactions and not the later clarifications.
he probably collapsed as Wigan had just paid him and the envelope was too heavy.

of course Matt knows what he is talking about he was just singing the praise of our
wonderful loanee from Southampton. You know people like this are full of shit when they get sacked from sky. Even sky will not tolerate it
 

The Fear

A Wise Man (once sat next to him)
Good post by a great guy on MillwallOnline forum (used with permission obviously) Thought it was sharing on a few forums on Vital, just to help settle our obvious nerves a tiny bit! Nighmare innit!

We now have a 'Nu' variant. Pun intended. The MSM, of course, are enjoying the discovery immensely. There's no doubt that this new variant has a number of mutations to the spike protein that could enable it to escape vaccines.

However, we need to realise that this variant is not competing against vaccines - to survive and reproduce it must compete against other viruses. These mutations may give it an advantage over vaccines, but will they confer an advantage over other viruses? All these viruses are in continual battle for survival in a crowded antigenic space.

South Africa has had a relatively low number of cases for a while now. This might sound strange, but this provides an ideal breeding ground for new variants because they can find the space they need to infect people and reproduce.

Over here, we still have a very dominant Delta variant, which could prove to be 'fitter' than the Nu variant and squeeze it out. This is happened many times already to other variants of concern.

We also have very high levels of 'super immunity' in the UK. A little while ago I mentioned that getting vaccinated and then infected with COVID was the gold standard of immune protection. This is still the case. In addition, recent data suggests that the AZ vaccine provides better long-term protection through T cells than the Pfizer vaccine. The jury is still out on this idea, but it could explain a lot.

The Nu variant will only present a problem here if it can overcome the huge barrier provided by widespread vaccine and infection induced 'super immunity' in the UK and can compete successfully against our dominant Delta strain.
 
Good post by a great guy on MillwallOnline forum (used with permission obviously) Thought it was sharing on a few forums on Vital, just to help settle our obvious nerves a tiny bit! Nighmare innit!

We now have a 'Nu' variant. Pun intended. The MSM, of course, are enjoying the discovery immensely. There's no doubt that this new variant has a number of mutations to the spike protein that could enable it to escape vaccines.

However, we need to realise that this variant is not competing against vaccines - to survive and reproduce it must compete against other viruses. These mutations may give it an advantage over vaccines, but will they confer an advantage over other viruses? All these viruses are in continual battle for survival in a crowded antigenic space.

South Africa has had a relatively low number of cases for a while now. This might sound strange, but this provides an ideal breeding ground for new variants because they can find the space they need to infect people and reproduce.

Over here, we still have a very dominant Delta variant, which could prove to be 'fitter' than the Nu variant and squeeze it out. This is happened many times already to other variants of concern.

We also have very high levels of 'super immunity' in the UK. A little while ago I mentioned that getting vaccinated and then infected with COVID was the gold standard of immune protection. This is still the case. In addition, recent data suggests that the AZ vaccine provides better long-term protection through T cells than the Pfizer vaccine. The jury is still out on this idea, but it could explain a lot.

The Nu variant will only present a problem here if it can overcome the huge barrier provided by widespread vaccine and infection induced 'super immunity' in the UK and can compete successfully against our dominant Delta strain.
All of this is true...

However South Africa is absolutely the poster child for an environment where a new variant will mutate to be more effective at evading the vaccine. It has just enough of the population vaccinated (25%) to ensure that the virus will bump up against a vaccinated person often enough while at the same time spreading like wildfire in the unvaccinated population.

None of that means it will happen, and viruses tend to mutate to one of either extreme of more transmissibility or more severity but rarely both, the Delta variant managed to massively outcompete the Alpha variant whilst also getting a marginal increase in severity which is rare, hence it came to be the dominant strain not only in the UK but worldwide impressively quickly...

All of which means those virologists who advocated not issuing booster shots to 1st world economies but instead to focus on raising vaccination levels worldwide are about to be giving us a massive "I told you so" if the worst comes to pass...
 
Early indications are that the new variant is indeed outcompeting the Delta variant in S. Africa...

Dr John Campbell believes this will be the next variant we have to deal with. Travel restrictions are a good thing to slow progress but won't prevent it. What we don't know is how it will progress in a population with a large proportion of vaccinated people.