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Sincilbanks said:
Welcome to "exponential growth" in the community spread of a virus with high transmissibility.

CDC Director Rochelle Walensky:
"The delta variant is one of the most infectious respiratory viruses we know of and that I have seen in my 20-year career"
If she is saying that having seen measles in the wild then things are bad in that regard...
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Delta variant has an R at about 7. That's 5 times seasonal 'flu. You'd probably struggle to find a more infectious virus in common circulation.
 
HoofGrantBrown said:
I've always had an interest in politics.
And well MPs generally had to be pretty good to get selected...many years of activism in the labour movement for one side...high up business people or well educated capable people on the other side...generalising quite a bit there of course...but first and foremost dummies would never get picked let alone ever progress to senior positions in a party.

Now we actually have a goverment composed entirely of useless hopeless clueless dimwits.
Add in Trump's spell in America and you really have to wonder just where democracy is going.
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I recognise your background and comments. But what we need to understand is why people like Trump, Farage and Johnson et al are/have been in power/positions of influence. It is not good enough for the moderate left of centre to slag off and vilify the people who the majority (depending on their electoral system) have voted for. We need to understand the issues and respond accordingly. Some of those answers we may not like. Why, for example, were two (apparently) totally unsuitable party leaders offered to us as alternatives to lead a government? That is the challenge, and I don't pretend to have all the answers. Personally I would like to see David Miliband leading the Labour Party, but can't see that happening, certainly in the foreseeable future
 
stokeimp said:
I recognise your background and comments. But what we need to understand is why people like Trump, Farage and Johnson et al are/have been in power/positions of influence. It is not good enough for the moderate left of centre to slag off and vilify the people who the majority (depending on their electoral system) have voted for. We need to understand the issues and respond accordingly. Some of those answers we may not like. Why, for example, were two (apparently) totally unsuitable party leaders offered to us as alternatives to lead a government? That is the challenge, and I don't pretend to have all the answers. Personally I would like to see David Miliband leading the Labour Party, but can't see that happening, certainly in the foreseeable future
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Agree entirely. Choice in all Westminster parties last time was about as bad as it gets.
True winner of votes was most likely the non voters! And fair enough. So many disenfranchised by the paucity of the system.

And yes its problems to address as much as people in charge
 
Meanwhile at the anti-vax cabaret in London today, Kate Shemirani - a disgraced former nurse struck off due to the danger she poses to patients - called for nurses and doctors who administer the covid vaccine to be hung, and urged the crowd to doxx any they knew of.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1418907451190038533

We had all the nutter favourites down here today. Katie Hopkins, that vat of excrement poured into a human-shaped bin liner who was kicked out of Australia this week for being her usual self, was also a speaker.

The guy who comes into the frame on the left is David Kurten, a far-right nutter who failed miserably in the London mayoral election and who, unsurprisingly, is a good friend of that bilious flag-shagging spunk bubble of a Tory MP Mark Francois.

Have a read of this thread

https://twitter.com/x/status/1418915810416934915

I genuinely hope they all die.
 
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stokeimp said:
I recognise your background and comments. But what we need to understand is why people like Trump, Farage and Johnson et al are/have been in power/positions of influence. It is not good enough for the moderate left of centre to slag off and vilify the people who the majority (depending on their electoral system) have voted for. We need to understand the issues and respond accordingly. Some of those answers we may not like. Why, for example, were two (apparently) totally unsuitable party leaders offered to us as alternatives to lead a government? That is the challenge, and I don't pretend to have all the answers. Personally I would like to see David Miliband leading the Labour Party, but can't see that happening, certainly in the foreseeable future
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I'll tell you why - and it's not because 'the left' has done anything wrong. It is because a new wave of sado-populism has managed to seize power via the back door thanks to the reckless and idiotic decisions of David Cameron, who unleashed Brexit to win a party squabble, then fucked off at a moment's notice to watch from the sidelines as the country imploded.

His legacy is a country at war with itself (literally, if you remember the name Jo Cox) and a far-right emboldened by the success of the lies, deceit, fake news, demonisation and yet more lies they pushed in the referendum campaign.

The worse Brexit got, the more they came to the fore, resulting in 'Red White and Blue Brexit' Theresa May looking positively liberal by the time she was kicked out and the fat **** sock we have now assumed power.

Their rise after Brexit was a fait accompli - that referendum skewed the political spectrum so much that everything is now refracted through a prism of nationalism, through race, through hatred, through contempt of the other, so much so that anyone offering an alternative has to pander to these very things.

Brexit has fundamentally altered the national psyche. It has overtaken us. There are no issues to understand anymore - they are buried under layers of Brexit.

What is sado-populism, you might ask. It's the politics of offering not hope, or even a vision of the future, but despair, all the while demonising the other so that all those who are losing out have a distraction - something on which to focus their hate and their contempt. "Hey look," the sudo-populists say. "You might be having it bad but look over there - that lot over there are commies / blacks / immigrants / champagne socialists. It's their fault, they want to take your flag / your money / your house / your way of life."

The sado-populists don't offer policies that promise a better future, they don't offer anything. They just grab power and they corrupt society.

Trump did it first. We followed. America kicked him out because he was a grade A ****, but not without him declaring himself the winner of an election he was clearly going to lose, encouraging state governors to throw out tens of thousands of votes, and then when that all failed goading his goon squad into invading the seat of American democracy to overthrow the constitution.

To this day he continues to insist he was subject to the greatest electoral fraud in American history - and it has become the definition of Republican party policy. And he has not gone away - people still believe and support Trump, because he has poured so much hate into American politics that it has changed the landscape. They either cannot stand to think they were wrong, or they actually still believe that they are right.

We will get all of this here. You mark my words. To bring it back to coronavirus, I have watched the videos of the nutters in Trafalgar Square calling for doctors to be murdered for giving people a vaccine, and for the 'establishment' to be overthrown for trying to protect society. I do not doubt that there are people in Conservative party HQ busy working to twist all of that hate to their advantage in the next round of this insanity.

Rant over. I dare say Hulloutpost will be here to tell me I'm mad.
 
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I can certainly see America becoming a fascist state in my life-time. As Sincilbanks posted some time ago, it's not Trump that's the risk, it's someone far more organised and intelligent with his politics coming along.
 
NottyImp said:
As to that rally, I never thought I'd see the like of that in the UK. Deeply worrying.
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This is where your bullshit "plandemic", anti-vaccine social media whines and rants get you. Some nutjob messiah with a platform attracts a bunch of likeminded morons, all of whom somehow think they are informed because they "don't watch mainstream media" when in fact they are the modern day equivalent of a bunch of peasants armed with pitchforks and torches shouting "storm the castle!"...
 
That ex-nurse is embarrassing. I’m not having the vaccine just yet (for a number of reasons), despite initially thinking it would be selfish not to have it, but she does no one any favours and what she is spouting about the doctors is a disgrace.
 
stokeimp said:
I recognise your background and comments. But what we need to understand is why people like Trump, Farage and Johnson et al are/have been in power/positions of influence. It is not good enough for the moderate left of centre to slag off and vilify the people who the majority (depending on their electoral system) have voted for. We need to understand the issues and respond accordingly. Some of those answers we may not like. Why, for example, were two (apparently) totally unsuitable party leaders offered to us as alternatives to lead a government? That is the challenge, and I don't pretend to have all the answers. Personally I would like to see David Miliband leading the Labour Party, but can't see that happening, certainly in the foreseeable future
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I was advocating him as the only electable option back in 2010 after Gordon Brown left. They picked the wrong Milliband then doubled down on the lunacy with Corbyn.
 
John Bigbooté said:
Meanwhile at the anti-vax cabaret in London today, Kate Shemirani - a disgraced former nurse struck off due to the danger she poses to patients - called for nurses and doctors who administer the covid vaccine to be hung, and urged the crowd to doxx any they knew of.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1418907451190038533

We had all the nutter favourites down here today. Katie Hopkins, that vat of excrement poured into a human-shaped bin liner who was kicked out of Australia this week for being her usual self, was also a speaker.

The guy who comes into the frame on the left is David Kurten, a far-right nutter who failed miserably in the London mayoral election and who, unsurprisingly, is a good friend of that bilious flag-shagging spunk bubble of a Tory MP Mark Francois.

Have a read of this thread

https://twitter.com/x/status/1418915810416934915

I genuinely hope they all die.
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What a load of nutcases. Have only just seen this. Ashamed to see a Lincolnshire flag being waved near the front (around 29 secs)
 
Well, I have just had Covid despite having had both the jabs. Luckily, I only seemed to have a very mild bout of it. I shudder to think, though, at my age (late 50s), what the outcome may have been if I hadn't had both jabs. Without them I may have been no worse than I was. I'll never know. What I do know, though, is that at least I'm still here and will be able to watch the Imps next season. What the jabs did for me was at least give me the confidence that I would be able to fight this thing off, rather than having the mental stress for a fortnight of wondering if and when I might take a turn for the worse and end up in hospital and then worrying if that did happen what pressure that would put the rest of my friends and family under.
 
Sigiriya said:
Well, I have just had Covid despite having had both the jabs. Luckily, I only seemed to have a very mild bout of it. I shudder to think, though, at my age (late 50s), what the outcome may have been if I hadn't had both jabs. Without them I may have been no worse than I was. I'll never know. What I do know, though, is that at least I'm still here and will be able to watch the Imps next season. What the jabs did for me was at least give me the confidence that I would be able to fight this thing off, rather than having the mental stress for a fortnight of wondering if and when I might take a turn for the worse and end up in hospital and then worrying if that did happen what pressure that would put the rest of my friends and family under.
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Get well soon, mate. I suspect the vaccine did exactly what it should: reduced the severity of the infection significantly.
 
Sincilbanks said:
This is where your bullshit "plandemic", anti-vaccine social media whines and rants get you. Some nutjob messiah with a platform attracts a bunch of likeminded morons, all of whom somehow think they are informed because they "don't watch mainstream media" when in fact they are the modern day equivalent of a bunch of peasants armed with pitchforks and torches shouting "storm the castle!"...
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Well, if they were actually advocating "storming the castle" rather than burning down their own village, I might be in favour. ;)
 
simes69 said:
I was advocating him as the only electable option back in 2010 after Gordon Brown left. They picked the wrong Milliband then doubled down on the lunacy with Corbyn.
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Not a big fan of D. Miliband. A Blairite who supported the illegal Iraq War, for starters. But obviously better than the current incumbent at No. 10.
 
simes69 said:
I was advocating him as the only electable option back in 2010 after Gordon Brown left. They picked the wrong Milliband then doubled down on the lunacy with Corbyn.
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I still think Ed was elected by mistake with votes going to him by accident instead of his vastly more experienced brother.
 
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