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Gills 58 said:
I'm loving the fact that the 2 scientists in Germany who have led this research are the children of Turkish guestworkers. Bet the Germans are glad they weren't "sent home".

What a wonderful achievement (whatever their ethnicity).
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Pfizer founded in the US by 2 German migrants in the century before last. Round and round we go
 
madrid_gill said:
I'm sure I read somewhere that there is no vaccine for SARS.
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You're right for the SARS outbreak in 2002 but aren't there different strains? Isn't Covid-19 a strain of SARS after all?
Who knows, its making my brain hurt, I'm going for a lay down in a dark room 🤪
 
Nobby_66 said:
You're right for the SARS outbreak in 2002 but aren't there different strains? Isn't Covid-19 a strain of SARS after all?
Who knows, its making my brain hurt, I'm going for a lay down in a dark room 🤪
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Who knows, Nobby, best left to the scientists, eh? :shrug:
 
Nobby_66 said:
You're right for the SARS outbreak in 2002 but aren't there different strains? Isn't Covid-19 a strain of SARS after all?
Who knows, its making my brain hurt, I'm going for a lay down in a dark room 🤪
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You're absolutely right Nobby,
covid 19 is Sars-Cov-2.
 
It is encouraging news, but I think it's going to be a long time until this is fully rolled out and we are anywhere near back to normal. I think caution needs to be exercised and we'll need to continue with enhanced Covid precautions for some time and avoiding complacency will need to be drilled in to the population.

On the radio this morning, they were talking about whether the vaccine should be compulsory and how we deal with anti-vaxxers and Covid deniers. I don't think it should and don't think it needs to be. Vaccines should be made available to everyone and by the time it's rolled out a certification scheme should be put in place - ideally electronically through the or a track and trace system, but if need a paper system. Any one who doesn't get vaccinated, should not be allowed on flights, public transport, to sports events and back to work etc. and legislation should be put in place to support this, including the right of employers to lay off staff members who refuse to be vaccinated.
 
SteveTreacle said:
It is encouraging news, but I think it's going to be a long time until this is fully rolled out and we are anywhere near back to normal. I think caution needs to be exercised and we'll need to continue with enhanced Covid precautions for some time and avoiding complacency will need to be drilled in to the population.

On the radio this morning, they were talking about whether the vaccine should be compulsory and how we deal with anti-vaxxers and Covid deniers. I don't think it should and don't think it needs to be. Vaccines should be made available to everyone and by the time it's rolled out a certification scheme should be put in place - ideally electronically through the or a track and trace system, but if need a paper system. Any one who doesn't get vaccinated, should not be allowed on flights, public transport, to sports events and back to work etc. and legislation should be put in place to support this, including the right of employers to lay off staff members who refuse to be vaccinated.
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Spot on ST.
 
SteveTreacle said:
On the radio this morning, they were talking about whether the vaccine should be compulsory and how we deal with anti-vaxxers and Covid deniers. I don't think it should and don't think it needs to be. Vaccines should be made available to everyone and by the time it's rolled out a certification scheme should be put in place - ideally electronically through the or a track and trace system, but if need a paper system. Any one who doesn't get vaccinated, should not be allowed on flights, public transport, to sports events and back to work etc. and legislation should be put in place to support this, including the right of employers to lay off staff members who refuse to be vaccinated.
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I don't know, but I would have guessed that a vaccine would be made available to the people that are vulnerable to the virus (eg the elderly) similar to the flu vaccine? Are there plans to innoculate the entire country?
 
SteveTreacle said:
On the radio this morning, they were talking about whether the vaccine should be compulsory and how we deal with anti-vaxxers and Covid deniers. I don't think it should and don't think it needs to be. Vaccines should be made available to everyone and by the time it's rolled out a certification scheme should be put in place - ideally electronically through the or a track and trace system, but if need a paper system. Any one who doesn't get vaccinated, should not be allowed on flights, public transport, to sports events and back to work etc. and legislation should be put in place to support this, including the right of employers to lay off staff members who refuse to be vaccinated.
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That sounds very draconic and very much steps on human rights and civil liberties. I suspect there will be a load of people who'd otherwise have taken the vaccine at some point who would refuse the vaccine on principle. The government insisting everyone is vaccinated with threats of punishment would be the government massively overstepping the boundaries of its powers.

I do wonder with all your suggestions how that would work for foreign nationals who are briefly in the UK.

You can't force people to be injected with medicine if they don't want it.

If everyone would wants to be vaccinated is vaccinated then those people should be safe. If people don't want it then you can force them and if they get Covid and die then that is Darwinism in action. I suspect that enough people will get the vaccine that a level of herd immunity will happen and deaths from Covid will ultimately disappear into the annual flu numbers.
 
ThreeSixes said:
I don't know, but I would have guessed that a vaccine would be made available to the people that are vulnerable to the virus (eg the elderly) similar to the flu vaccine? Are there plans to innoculate the entire country?
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From what I read (and not sure if it is pulled from an official source - someone may be able to link it(, it is sensibly going to be rolled out in phases:

Starting with the over 80s and people with serious underlying conditions.

Then over 70s.

Then over 60s.

Then over 50s.

And the rest of us last, which is fine by me.

NHS and other frontline key workers either come under the 80s and/or 70s phases.
 
Baghdad_Rob said:
That sounds very draconic and very much steps on human rights and civil liberties. I suspect there will be a load of people who'd otherwise have taken the vaccine at some point who would refuse the vaccine on principle. The government insisting everyone is vaccinated with threats of punishment would be the government massively overstepping the boundaries of its powers.

I do wonder with all your suggestions how that would work for foreign nationals who are briefly in the UK.

You can't force people to be injected with medicine if they don't want it.

If everyone would wants to be vaccinated is vaccinated then those people should be safe. If people don't want it then you can force them and if they get Covid and die then that is Darwinism in action. I suspect that enough people will get the vaccine that a level of herd immunity will happen and deaths from Covid will ultimately disappear into the annual flu numbers.
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That's the point. I am saying that people - and it'll be a small minority, the same loony anti-vaxxers protesting now - can decline the vaccine, but why should others be put at risk because of their stupidity? Don't forget, the vaccine is estimated to be 90% accurate and there is uncertainty about how long it will last, so why should someone who falls in the 10% - especially someone about 70, be put at risk, because someone wants to make a point or is playing a game in declining a vaccination?
 
Baghdad_Rob said:
If everyone would wants to be vaccinated is vaccinated then those people should be safe. If people don't want it then you can force them and if they get Covid and die then that is Darwinism in action. I suspect that enough people will get the vaccine that a level of herd immunity will happen and deaths from Covid will ultimately disappear into the annual flu numbers.
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Or the virus will survive in those who don't get vaccinated, mutate, then re-infect the wider population.
 
markinkent said:
Nice to have light at the end of the tunnel but didn't I read that it has to be stored at -80oC ? Sounds like specialist freezers going to be required in every surgery/pharmacy offering vaccines.

I wonder if SERCO have a freezer branch ;-)
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ALASTAIR CAMPBELL

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10 Nov

Interesting odds for new post of VACCINE ROLLOUT CZAR — 3/1 Lady John Redwood 7/2 Lady Liam Fox 6/1 Lady Iain Duncan-Smith 10/1 Mary Wakefield-Cummings 20/1 Telegraph science editor 50/1 Someone qualified and appointed on merit not married to a Tory MP or major Vote Leave backer
 
nitram77 said:
Or the virus will survive in those who don't get vaccinated, mutate, then re-infect the wider population.
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As per Covid's viral coronavirus brothers of MERS and SARS, this didn't happen in a population where there is no vaccine but there might be some short term immunity in the aftermath of the outbreak. If your scenario holds water then you'd still expect SARS and MERS to be ravishing the world. They aren't.

The virus is probably more like to mutate in bats or whatever you think the source of Covid was and then be passed onto humans again. The next major pandemic outbreak is likely to be a completely different strain not directly related to Covid-19.
 
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