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Me neither though Corbyn's statement was deliberate and precipitate. He knew what he was doing and will definitely still carry some sentiment with him. Starmer won't be over worried by resignations and can only win from the situation at present as it allows him to show that he meant what he said.

Centrism is all very well but times are changing fast and the centre is moving in favour of state action, intervention and welfare. Once the dust settles Starmer needs to be thinking about his vision and it needs to be more than I'm a sensible chap.
 
Me neither though Corbyn's statement was deliberate and precipitate. He knew what he was doing and will definitely still carry some sentiment with him. Starmer won't be over worried by resignations and can only win from the situation at present as it allows him to show that he meant what he said.

Centrism is all very well but times are changing fast and the centre is moving in favour of state action, intervention and welfare. Once the dust settles Starmer needs to be thinking about his vision and it needs to be more than I'm a sensible chap.
Correct imo. What Starmer realises is that firstly Labour has to appear credible and competent. This will take time. Obviously we need a vision but the last "leadership" was all vision and complete lack of competence.

Labour seemed to be run by a bunch of idealistic students for whom politics was a hobby. This may be harsh but that's how it came across to me and I'd consider myself to be well on the left of the party (did quit for a few years over Blair).
 
Agree jogills.
Biden may well win just because he’s not Trump but Sir K will probably not have that luxury because it’s unlikely that Johnson will still be there come the next election.
I want to see potential policies laid out for inspection.
He’s ridden on the coat tails of Johnson’s incompetence so far.
It’s coming to the time to show the country what he’s about.
 
One thing it is hard to deny is that Jeremy Corbyn sticks to his beliefs and puts them ahead of any consequences. Above all, he stays calm and polite which probably acts against him, even when he is actually speaking the truth.

The newscaster on BBC News at lunchtime was interviewing someone and just referring to "Corbyn" with no "Mr", as did Margaret Hodge. That will not bother JC but what if he responded saying "I don't care what Hodge thinks"? - bearing in mind he has never been accused of an anti-semitic remark himself.

It was clear from the time that JC stood up for the Palestinians that he would be a target for the Jewish community and so it has proved.

Starmer has a problem though as some Jews will still blame him as he was part of JC's cabinet and the left wing will come down hard on him if he joins any more witch hunts.
 
Aside from any other consideration the hopelessly inappropriate system of self investigation is to go. Other parties must follow that lead because it was at the heart of the bullying, sex abuse & anti-semitism scandals at Westminster and the reason so may escaped censure. An independent body as investigator is the bare minimum and it's a wonder we have allowed political parties to avoid that scrutiny for so long.

I had no problem with Corbyn standing up for the Palestinians and he has taken some principled stands over the years. What wasn't so noble was interfering in the process when some of his internal allies were accused of anti-semitism.
 
Agree jogills.
I want to see potential policies laid out for inspection.
He’s ridden on the coat tails of Johnson’s incompetence so far.
It’s coming to the time to show the country what he’s about.
It's about time Labour stopped thinking that being in opposition just means they have to disagree with everything the Tories say, particularly at the current time. If they just show common sense, show they're trying to work with the Government to get through this and that they'll deal with highlighting the failings afterwards then they'll walk the next election. Otherwise Sunak will step into Boris's shoes and win.

(Not that I want a Labour Government any more than I want a Tory or Lib Dem/Green/SNP/whatever one, they're all currently, and recently, as bad as each other)
 
It's about time Labour stopped thinking that being in opposition just means they have to disagree with everything the Tories say, particularly at the current time. If they just show common sense, show they're trying to work with the Government to get through this and that they'll deal with highlighting the failings afterwards then they'll walk the next election. Otherwise Sunak will step into Boris's shoes and win.

(Not that I want a Labour Government any more than I want a Tory or Lib Dem/Green/SNP/whatever one, they're all currently, and recently, as bad as each other)
maybe if alexander asked for some input it would be forthcoming.
 
Starmers main job is distancing himself from Momentum and making it clear that they do not speak for the Labour Party.
I’d go as far as totally ignoring them in the hope that they all piss off back to the fringes.
There’s no place for the alleged broad church if we hope to get elected.
 
Starmers main job is distancing himself from Momentum and making it clear that they do not speak for the Labour Party.
I’d go as far as totally ignoring them in the hope that they all piss off back to the fringes.
There’s no place for the alleged broad church if we hope to get elected.

You may be right, but I do not think real Labour voters will be fooled by the same sort of "New Labour" rebrand that Blair got away with.

The gap between the haves and have nots has never been so wide so we need a better choice than Tory Capitalists v Tory Capitalists Lite.
 
You may be right, but I do not think real Labour voters will be fooled by the same sort of "New Labour" rebrand that Blair got away with.

The gap between the haves and have nots has never been so wide so we need a better choice than Tory Capitalists v Tory Capitalists Lite.
Nice theory but the only thing that the majority find electable is Tory or Tory Lite (your words) .
A true socialist program is constantly rejected.
An uncomfortable fact.
The first thing to do is win power or any manifesto is irrelevant.
 
It's about time Labour stopped thinking that being in opposition just means they have to disagree with everything the Tories say, particularly at the current time. If they just show common sense, show they're trying to work with the Government to get through this and that they'll deal with highlighting the failings afterwards then they'll walk the next election. Otherwise Sunak will step into Boris's shoes and win.

(Not that I want a Labour Government any more than I want a Tory or Lib Dem/Green/SNP/whatever one, they're all currently, and recently, as bad as each other)
Thank goodness Churchill opposed Chamberlain and government policy rather than let him lose the war.

Imo Starmer has been extremely restrained in his criticism. His main point is about Test and Trace and Johnson thinks what we've got now is "world beating" ffs.
 
Nice theory but the only thing that the majority find electable is Tory or Tory Lite (your words) .
A true socialist program is constantly rejected.
An uncomfortable fact.
The first thing to do is win power or any manifesto is irrelevant.

I'm not sure what true socialism is. I vote Labour because I view the alternative as unacceptable. I think we can do better than offer thin gruel next time and I think the voters may be receptive too.
 
Good for the country to have an opposition start the process of moving towards somewhere much more voteable.

Let's the party in power get away with much more and go too extreme if the opposition are too weak (this is both ways round, not just a present thing)
 
Well done centrist bullshitters, you've done it again. Lied to the back teeth to keep the left out of power for the next generation at least, cynically abused antisemitism, a real and horrible problem, for your own factional ends and ensured yourselves a well-paid career in permanent, ineffective opposition. Fucking well done there, lads.
 
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I'm not sure what true socialism is. I vote Labour because I view the alternative as unacceptable. I think we can do better than offer thin gruel next time and I think the voters may be receptive too.

I tend to use the term "social justice", being the aim of socialism. Social justice is defined as:
"justice in terms of the distribution of wealth, opportunities, and privileges within a society."

IMHO that is what Jeremy Corbyn stands for. Whether he was leader material is debatable.

There has to be something wrong with a society where close to 10% of the population own close to 90% of the assets/property.
Communism, where the aim is for everyone to own and earn the same, doesn't work as it removes incentive and encourages laziness and mediocrity.

Capitalism and Globalism are showing they don't work either as you end up with erosion of workers rights, abuse of power, the misery of zero hours contracts and the gig economy. Excess commercialism and the ugliness of greed is also largely responsible for global warming and climate change IMO, which can not be sustained if you have children or are concerned about future generations. Keep driving your gas guzzling and road hogging Tanks including articulated lorries, and flying to every corner of the earth in winged polluters if you don't care.

None of this matters if many of those being shatted upon allow themselves to be manipulated by the media to still vote f*ckin Tory.
 
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