Conspiracy theorists

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Firstly, to avoid this thread becoming about members of the forum, let's leave names, implications and personal accusations out of this thread.

These people both fascinate and terrify me. From my perspective I start to wonder what has made them so cynical to the mainstream that the eschew anything that comes through it unless it happens to support their pre-concieved ideas. Also, there seems to be a great need for acknowledgement and it seems as if it makes them feel special to be relatively early adopters of therories so that when that magical day of vindication arrives they can point fingures and gloat at all those that were wrong. I also find their selectivity or inconsistancy to be interesting. choosing those things in the media that support their ideas and holding them up as absolute proof but then dismissing out of hand anything that doesn't support them as "you can't trust the mainstream media"

I met one last friday at my local swimming pool and I observed a few interesting behavioural commonalities that I will now highlight: They don't just believe in one conspiracy, they believe in many (boarding on all in some cases). They invariably are supporters of Donald Trump and haters of Hilary Clinton. They can always point to evidence that they can never actually show. In the face of evidence that contradicts them, they blow it off with comments like, "I don't know anything about that". In fact they don't really seem to undrstand the concept of evidence. They always think that they are "in the know" and that they are so much more open minded and enlightened than others. They seem to want to be able to scoop the news.

The one I met on Friday actually claimed that he knew of the recent New York terrorist attack 3 weeks before it happened though "his source". Ignoring the fact that, had he and his source really known of the attack in advance they had both a legal and moral duty to inform relevant authorities, he couldn't explain to me how his source had this information whilst billion dollar/euro/pound funded intelligence agencies with vast experience of investigating terrorism and terrorist groups were not aware of the attack.

These people strike me, in general, as immature, narcisistic, insecure and being easily lead.

It's a shame as they rob the world og conspiracies of any real credibility and there can be no doubt that, from time to time, there actually is a conspiracy, the issue being that these people always see a conspiracy when in reallity it's Occams Razor that's usually correct.



 
On that note JPA, at my uncle's funeral a couple of years a go I met a woman who has genuinely lined her hat with aluminium foil and wears it all the time (no idea what she does at night mind), she actually spoke about it and I could see a little of the foil protruding from her hat - and yes, she was a bit odd. Until this point I just thought that it was a disparraging joke.


 
That's hilarious! I honestly thought it was a weird figure of speech. I'm actually gratified to know that people really do wear tin hats :19:
 
Apparently it protects her from the electromagnetic radiation (which technically it would). I didn't really understand just why she needs to be protected though. I didn't get onto the subject of conspiracies with her so don't know if she's one of "them".


 
Back on topic, I must admit, I am a very sceptical person, and have a deep mistrust of the government, lawyers, financial institutions, Big Pharma and the like.

I am also very open-minded and not a great deal surprises me (apart, from people really wearing tin hats, apparently!) but some theories out there are just so ridiculously far-fetched and elaborate that every fibre of my being tells me they are simply bullshit.

I think many conspiracy theorists are just looking for something, anything to believe in and get on board with, so disillusioned are they with the (usually) mundane reality of day-to-day life.

Maybe I've been brainwashed by the Establishment, the Illuminati, call them what you will. But I'm more than happy to take most things at face value, while deriving plenty of entertainment from the wild and wacky ideas people put out there.

The joys of the internet and the freedom to post whatever takes your fancy, and find a number of like-minded souls from our planet of 7 billion, or whatever it is. The law of averages tells you there are bound to be plenty who share our own points of view.
 
Too much is believed. Too little is believed.

I hope this clears up the confusion over conspiracies!
 
God knows why you didn't just PM me and Sas

This thinly veiled post is quite laughable really when your aiming your words at us

Don't worry I will, of course, be as smug as you are suggesting we will be, but not based on your reason of gloating

It will purely be down to the abuse you have given us over the last few month

so yea, I can be childish and of course, I will be when the time comes

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I guess the internet has allowed people like Alex Jones to become a focal point for those of a conspiracy theory nature. If you listen to his nonsense, he leaps around linking on theory to the next as all part of a greater scheme. Of course, you need to buy his crap to protect yourself from these evil war mongers.

If you believe one conspiracy theory, you'll soon find Jones who presents himself as the defender of the common man. He'll then suck you into every theory in the book. Once your world view has been skewed, it's difficult to accept that it's all bullshit.
 
I really have no idea why you are such a child Tubbz, this was intended as a genuine discussion as I really don't understand and find it fascinating and was far more prompted by the bloke I met at my local swimming pool last Friday than anything you have ever posted but I suppose if the cap fits........ As for the accusation of being childish, I appologised for that but you didn't acknowledge it....pretty much true to form when a conspiraciy theorist finds something that doesn't suit their agenda, they ignore it.

If you can actually contribute and try to provide us/me with a bit of genuine insight I would be very grateful but what I actually expect is more of the same. So I dare you, prove me wrong and actually contribute something sensible to the subject.

 
BodyButter - 15/11/2017 14:39

I guess the internet has allowed people like Alex Jones to become a focal point for those of a conspiracy theory nature. If you listen to his nonsense, he leaps around linking on theory to the next as all part of a greater scheme. Of course, you need to buy his crap to protect yourself from these evil war mongers.

If you believe one conspiracy theory, you'll soon find Jones who presents himself as the defender of the common man. He'll then suck you into every theory in the book. Once your world view has been skewed, it's difficult to accept that it's all bullshit.

I really wonder if it goes deeper than that. It strikes me as being a "theorist" is akin to religion. I wonder if, given the wide spread acceptance that science has dispelled the "religious myths", it's easier for those that have a religious tendancy, a need to believe in something "else", to accept conspiracy theories as their new "religion", filling a gap. This would also make sense given the amount of psuedo-science there is involved in the world of conspiracy theories. I forget who said it but it fits in nicely with the statement that "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing".



 
The Fear - 15/11/2017 14:23

Too much is believed. Too little is believed.

I hope this clears up the confusion over conspiracies!

Thanks for that J, might as well close the thread now then. lol
 
Villan Of The North - 15/11/2017 13:41

I really have no idea why you are such a child Tubbz, this was intended as a genuine discussion as I really don't understand and find it fascinating and was far more prompted by the bloke I met at my local swimming pool last Friday than anything you have ever posted but I suppose if the cap fits........ As for the accusation of being childish, I appologised for that but you didn't acknowledge it....pretty much true to form when a conspiraciy theorist finds something that doesn't suit their agenda, they ignore it.

If you can actually contribute and try to provide us/me with a bit of genuine insight I would be very grateful but what I actually expect is more of the same. So I dare you, prove me wrong and actually contribute something sensible to the subject.

I cannot speak for the man you met last Friday, however, I find it so bizarre to witness how controllable our minds are. People operating from belief programs were threatened by what they couldn't see staring them in the face.

It is like we exist in completely different realities. There are those who can see and those who can't see. It isn't about what we believe we see because someone told us that's what it is, it is what we actually see!

There is nothing more powerful than seeing the truth for ourselves and feeling our body react to its powerful energy moving through us. There are so many people who have no idea what I am talking about because they don't have a relationship with the truth.

They don't know what truth feels like so their minds are easily manipulated. Truth is a powerful consciousness energy that we connect to and are guided by. Belief systems have created powerful distortions in our minds that keep us from connecting to the frequency of truth.

It's hard for people to wake up to the way things actually are because even if they think they do, they do not have a relationship with truth!

When the reality of what has been happening hits home, I pray that going forward it wakes you up to question everything
 
Thank you for a good and thought out reply. The issue I have with this Tubbz is the fact that "the truth" is always just around the corner but never actually materializes, and when faced with contrary evidence it is dismissed as manipulation by the main stream, yet when the main stream acrtually agrees with the conspiracy therorist it suddenly becomes evidence. There is no consistancy and there are no results. Surely you can see why this makes people doubt the credibility of such stories?


 
I agree, Ian. Heath has compared it to a cult and I think he's not far wrong.

If you start with the belief that human beings are innately good and that the world should be a place of happiness, you'll see that there is something very wrong. The idea that there is a shady cabal who control everything in order to keep the world miserable doesn't sound implausible.
 
Absolutely I can

What you need to completely understand is that MSM is a farce and controlled by just 6 main companies

They are not going to shed any light on the wrongdoings of their masters and of course its buried

Just because a theory cannot be proven, does not mean that it is not true

I can show you a video now that proves the MSM has a narrative that is put out and is almost word for word being played out on every news station, proving beyonf dowbt to me that they are all fed the same bullshit to repeat to the masses
 
BodyButter - 15/11/2017 14:11

I agree, Ian. Heath has compared it to a cult and I think he's not far wrong.

If you start with the belief that human beings are innately good and that the world should be a place of happiness, you'll see that there is something very wrong. The idea that there is a shady cabal who control everything in order to keep the world miserable doesn't sound implausible.

Spot on BB

The world should be a happy place

God for me is Love and there is not a lot of that about when man is willing to screw over the next for a quick buck
 
TuBBz - 15/11/2017 23:16

BodyButter - 15/11/2017 14:11

I agree, Ian. Heath has compared it to a cult and I think he's not far wrong.

If you start with the belief that human beings are innately good and that the world should be a place of happiness, you'll see that there is something very wrong. The idea that there is a shady cabal who control everything in order to keep the world miserable doesn't sound implausible.

Spot on BB

The world should be a happy place

God for me is Love and there is not a lot of that about when man is willing to screw over the next for a quick buck

I'll give you an example of the nature of the world. I have an incompetent employee. He's getting fired soon but he doesn't know it yet. He's on a very high salary but he squanders it and is always broke by the 3rd week of the month. When I fire him, he's going to be in a very difficult position. I'm sure his wife will go nuts at him and if he doesn't find another job pronto, I'd guess she will leave him. I've no confidence that he'll find a job quickly after getting the boot. It's not that there aren't lots of jobs out there, it's just that he's incompetent.

The alternative is that I continue to mop up his mess and my other employees (who are great) start to sink down to his level.

So he's going to end up very unhappy. That's life.
 
TuBBz - 15/11/2017 15:14

Absolutely I can

What you need to completely understand is that MSM is a farce and controlled by just 6 main companies

They are not going to shed any light on the wrongdoings of their masters and of course its buried

Just because a theory cannot be proven, does not mean that it is not true

I can show you a video now that proves the MSM has a narrative that is put out and is almost word for word being played out on every news station, proving beyonf dowbt to me that they are all fed the same bullshit to repeat to the masses

I don't doubt that press releases and the like are, what might be called, redacted versions of the truth but that doesn't make it a conspiracy, just people and organisations that want to portray things in a certain light, as we all do. For example, if you had punched someone in the street for seemingly no reason you could claim that you thought you saw the person pulling out a weapon.....now you might be lying but it can't be disproved and it puts you in a better light and still reports the truth, the fact that you hit someone in the street. This kind of redaction (perhaps not so simplistic as this example) goes on all the time, additionally, truth is often a matter of perspective and it's natural for anyone breifing or supplying news to have a viewpoint that is to their own benefit. Even acknowledging that news reports are not always 100% what they seem to be, that doesn't mean that there is any sort of conspiracy, all it means is that the news agencies have a common source.