Conspiracies impossible to hide

HeathfieldRoad1874

HeathfieldRoad1874

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Spoiler alert - the Moon landings did happen!!! An interesting article, which is actually a function of human nature in the end. We just can't keep a secret for long.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-35411684

It's difficult to keep a conspiracy under wraps, scientists say, because sooner or later, one of the conspirators will blow its cover.

A study has examined how long alleged conspiracies could "survive" before being revealed - deliberately or unwittingly - to the public at large.

Dr David Grimes, from Oxford University, devised an equation to express this, and then applied it to four famous collusions.
 
There have been many whistle blowers, the standard response is to deny everything, ridicule them, undermine their credibility, destroy their lives and those are the lucky ones, many have "accidents" while others "commit suicide"

But no Heath, there's nothing going on, well nothing that you wouldn't accept the official explanation for anyway.


 
Why wasn't Snowdon ridiculed or have an accident?

Bearing in mind the number of people that have to be involved, the stats say that some have to speak out of turn. One can be ignored. Many cannot.

We've seen it on Conspiracy theories that have proven to be true. That is how the researching calculated the odds.

The article is worth a read.
 
Not a conspiracy as such, but there must of been a small number involved in the disappearance of Lord Lucan. Running alongside the same lines, you'd of thought a whisper had been let out by now, by someone 'in the know'.... or, did he do it all by himself?.......



 
Interesting article, but I don't think mathematical formulas can be applied to all conspiracy cases. It would work for the moon landings I agree, because if it was faked, it would have involved at least some regular Joes working on a studio set.

I don't see how the approach could be applied to something like the JFK assassination as that would only take a handful of deep government types to pull off, with levels and levels of "on a need to know basis" restricting even high power officials from knowing the truth.

On the other end, when it comes to the UFO/alien government cover-up, there has been high ranking military personal, police, government officials (including Nick Pope who worked for the MOD and was assigned the task of investigating UFOs, a real life Agent Mulder) who have come out and revealed what they know and have seen, yet it's still all a matter of ridicule and you're a tin foil hat wearing idiot if you believe any of it.

Which reminds me, I must post something in the Weird Stuff thread......

 
Damn these guys are behind the curve this was Neil DeGrase Tysons argument for a long time.

He also said on the technological plain it was more difficult to fake than to actually go there. We had the tech to go to the moon but not the tech to fake it.

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Stephen Jay Hawkings - 28/1/2016 03:39

Interesting article, but I don't think mathematical formulas can be applied to all conspiracy cases. It would work for the moon landings I agree, because if it was faked, it would have involved at least some regular Joes working on a studio set.

I don't see how the approach could be applied to something like the JFK assassination as that would only take a handful of deep government types to pull off, with levels and levels of "on a need to know basis" restricting even high power officials from knowing the truth.

On the other end, when it comes to the UFO/alien government cover-up, there has been high ranking military personal, police, government officials (including Nick Pope who worked for the MOD and was assigned the task of investigating UFOs, a real life Agent Mulder) who have come out and revealed what they know and have seen, yet it's still all a matter of ridicule and you're a tin foil hat wearing idiot if you believe any of it.

Which reminds me, I must post something in the Weird Stuff thread......
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I agree with the first two paragraphs. The formula is based on the number of people involved, and the time since it happened. Something like the JFK assassination could have been conducted with a very small number of people, so yes, I still have an open mind about that one.

Something like the twin towers, however, despite not being long ago, would need massive numbers of people involved to be true, and it is just not possible for them all to keep silent.

On the Alien landings, I understand what you say, but I just think even more people would have seen something if we had been visited. I do think there is life out there, but looking at what we are going through just to get to Mars, I just can't see it.

And hasn't Pope made a bit of a fool of himself a few times now? Isn't it just reasonable to assume he's in it for the publicity and the money with what he's been putting out there?
 
CDX_EIRE - 28/1/2016 04:10

Damn these guys are behind the curve this was Neil DeGrase Tysons argument for a long time.
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As did most scientists, but this just adds the numbers. It's great having a theory, but then you need to find a way to prove it is right.
 
I am generally not one for conspiracies and certainly agree the majority of so called ''conspiracies'' are NOT conspiracies. The moon landing 9/11 7/7 are NOT conspiracies. As Heath said too many people involved etc.

However you will never convince me otherwise that Diana death was an accident and the majority still think the same. 1 guy tried to whistle blow it who was ex whatever he was at the time. I can't remember. It was all over the media at the time.

That was quietly swept away and ignored. Too many unanswered questions that don't add up with that. However that is the only one, whether you loved her or loathed her that doesn't add up if you look into it and not just at the surface of it.
 
kefkat - 28/1/2016 11:57

I am generally not one for conspiracies and certainly agree the majority of so called ''conspiracies'' are NOT conspiracies. The moon landing 9/11 7/7 are NOT conspiracies. As Heath said too many people involved etc.

However you will never convince me otherwise that Diana death was an accident and the majority still think the same. 1 guy tried to whistle blow it who was ex whatever he was at the time. I can't remember. It was all over the media at the time.

That was quietly swept away and ignored. Too many unanswered questions that don't add up with that. However that is the only one, whether you loved her or loathed her that doesn't add up if you look into it and not just at the surface of it.
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I know that some share your view on Diana's death but your claim that it's the majority is somewhat spurious, in my experience it's not the majority. Now I have no evidence to prove my belief, based on my experience, but I doubt that you have either.


 
It is the majority of people I speak with who say the same so yes I am going on the people I have met, know, in passing etc. over the years which has been an awful lot. You get chatting as women do and .....................

No it can't be proved either way. The inquest was a waste of money in The U.K as even if true as I believe it is they are never going to come out and say ''Oh sorry Wills & Harry, your Mom was murdered'' It was always going to be covered up. Too many things that there is no explanation for in the case. Not just 1 or 2 things. It's a list that doesn't add up to coincidence in my eyes. Yes I did look at it all at the time and over the passing years.

Does it matter? Well nothing going to bring her back. Even Harry in an interview I watched on TV with both the boys a few years ago said ''he didn't think the driver was as drunk as it was made out and he said he didn't think anyone would ever know the complete truth of what happened that night'' so yeah. Like I said nothing will bring her back and it can't be changed whatever the truth
 
Villan Of The North - 28/1/2016 16:53

Wasn't the inquest carried out by a French judge?
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There was the original inquest in France and another inquest in 2008 in The U.K which after years of pressure the U.K government etc. caved in and held an inquest in The U.K. Complete waste of money and I said that before the event, as I said in my post above.

One judge that definitely stood down from the inquest. Possibly two. I would have to check.
 
I'm with you re Princess Diana Kefkat. Too 'convenient' for my liking and yes, I think it was 2 judges too.

It's like the old saying and on 'random quotes' - If it looks like a rat, and smells like a rat, it's probably a rat!

 
HeathfieldRoad1874 - 28/1/2016 07:15


On the Alien landings, I understand what you say, but I just think even more people would have seen something if we had been visited. I do think there is life out there, but looking at what we are going through just to get to Mars, I just can't see it.

And hasn't Pope made a bit of a fool of himself a few times now? Isn't it just reasonable to assume he's in it for the publicity and the money with what he's been putting out there?
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Thing is though Heath, how many more people need to come forward for it to be considered a serious topic for discussion? I've already listed all sorts from the military to the government.

Paul Hellyer, the Canadian ex-Minister of Defence has not only talked about the subject, but has talked about the fact that there are at least 4 different species of aliens that have been visiting the Earth for thousands of years. You can see him talk in front of ex-members of Congress at the Disclosure project on Youtube. I know it sounds bonkers, but when people at that high of a level are talking about it, why is it still a big ridiculed conspiracy?

 
Again, though where is the proof? Saying something is just not enough. All I can see is Hellyer speculating. It all just seems a rehash of Jenning's work, along with a few others.

Nothing from his position in Government is relevant. He's no more reliable than you or I in this.
 
This is the vid of canadian ex defence minister talking about aliens very interesting when i first heard this made me really take notice.

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