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mao tse tung said:
I hope he is leasing and not buying; although there is very little to go wrong on the Electric vehicles, when something does go wrong, the battery for instance, you are looking at a five figure replacement cost.
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From memory he's buying the car apart from the battery which is leased. He also gets 3k towards a charging point.
 
How much does it cost to install a home charging point? Must be thousands presumably. And how much does a charge in public cost?

I would love to switch to electric but will have to stick to my diesel until the government is willing to make home conversion affordable and until there is a viable second hand market for the cars. Not in a position to be shelling out £20k for a car any time soon
 
Lienking said:
Don't know much about cars, but guess the A4 is good at papering over its problems ?
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Nor steam locomotives either......these A4’s were not Audi’s.
You can’t paper over the fact these locos are the pre and post war steam speed record holders.
 
Pope John XXIII said:
How much does it cost to install a home charging point? Must be thousands presumably. And how much does a charge in public cost?

I would love to switch to electric but will have to stick to my diesel until the government is willing to make home conversion affordable and until there is a viable second hand market for the cars. Not in a position to be shelling out £20k for a car any time soon
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Apparently home charging points start from £800 and you can get a £500 grant to reduce that cost.

The trouble with Hybrids is they are false economy. You are having to carry round a load of extra battery weight which eats into your mpg savings! They end up doing less real world mpg than your average diesel.
 
Pope John XXIII said:
How much does it cost to install a home charging point? Must be thousands presumably. And how much does a charge in public cost?

I would love to switch to electric but will have to stick to my diesel until the government is willing to make home conversion affordable and until there is a viable second hand market for the cars. Not in a position to be shelling out £20k for a car any time soon
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It currently costs less than a tenner to put enough charge in to travel 200 miles.

The problem is the number of charge points.

They tell you when you buy that the car spends 80% of the time on your drive, so why not charge at home.

Charging at home will be an AC charge which is much slower and no one seems to be able to provide any costing data.

The faster DC charge is the one which costs less.

Then there is the problem of the second hand market; Electric cars are holding their value very well so the chances of picking up a bargain are remote.

I would not consider one until the performance and reliability of the batteries are fully known; on most models the price of the battery equates to anything between a third and half the cost of the vehicles; that cost will not come down until they are being manufactured on an industrial scale.

Jaguar and BMW are entering into a joint venture to build a battery Plant at Hams Hall near Birmingham, the building of which is yet to commence.
 
Feco said:
Or we run out of electricity, which is probably more likely.
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It is very likely!

The biggest single hindrance to the installation of a nationwide charging network is not lack of sites, its lack of capacity in the National Grid
 
Remember Betamax and VHS? That’s what will happen to electric and hybrid cars. Hydrogen power has a few snags to sort (like being slightly flammable) and will take off thus bringing down cost. The problem with electric is charging points. Ok for BMW and Jag drivers who can park car on drive but what happens if you park on the street.

90% of the time our cars are sitting on the drive. Driverless cars will make booking your car by type for the journey only will become the norm, like a taxi. Most of the cost of a taxi today is the drivers time. No driver, less cost. The second most expensive element is the fuel. Hydrogen is driven by water and side product is oxygen.

What is the biggest stumbling block is human psychology. We can run driverless cars but will society let us? Hydrogen cars are here. Most manufacturers have versions.
 
Question about Hydrogen cars. Two actually.

I keep hearing that they produce only water as a by product.

Ok, so with all the millions of cars on the roads, isn't that going to cause some problems?

Also, where is all the Hydrogen coming from? I know it's abundant in the universe but it isn't infinite on Earth
 
mao tse tung said:
It is very likely!

The biggest single hindrance to the installation of a nationwide charging network is not lack of sites, its lack of capacity in the National Grid
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And the generating capacity, another 1500MW has gone this month. There is a growing concern that there isn't enough generation, and particularly 'heavy generation' to keep the grid stable.
 
Regarding hydrogen as a fuel, there are one or two issues in production and storage.
Like everything else they can and will be overcome, but we aren’t there yet.
This explains it rather well.

 
Polly 433 said:
Remember Betamax and VHS? That’s what will happen to electric and hybrid cars. Hydrogen power has a few snags to sort (like being slightly flammable) and will take off thus bringing down cost. The problem with electric is charging points. Ok for BMW and Jag drivers who can park car on drive but what happens if you park on the street.

90% of the time our cars are sitting on the drive. Driverless cars will make booking your car by type for the journey only will become the norm, like a taxi. Most of the cost of a taxi today is the drivers time. No driver, less cost. The second most expensive element is the fuel. Hydrogen is driven by water and side product is oxygen.

What is the biggest stumbling block is human psychology. We can run driverless cars but will society let us? Hydrogen cars are here. Most manufacturers have versions.
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The technology that runs Driverless cars is being developed in Europe primarily by Robert Bosch; they are specialists in the front end cameras and the radar systems which control them.

I visit their facility in Budapest quite regularly as they also develop technology for a Company I work with.

They have driverless cars driving around the facility non stop; it does not matter how many times you see a car drive past with no driver, it has the same unnerving effect.

It will have a dramatic effect when they are integrated into conventional traffic on a large scale, and that's just cars; there will be total pandemonium when driverless HGVs hit the road.

There is the potential to have Clifton Bridge levels of congestion on a daily basis.

I am not sure how much grid lock and carnage people will tolerate before there is total uproar.
 
mao tse tung said:
The technology that runs Driverless cars is being developed in Europe primarily by Robert Bosch; they are specialists in the front end cameras and the radar systems which control them.

I visit their facility in Budapest quite regularly as they also develop technology for a Company I work with.

They have driverless cars driving around the facility non stop; it does not matter how many times you see a car drive past with no driver, it has the same unnerving effect.

It will have a dramatic effect when they are integrated into conventional traffic on a large scale, and that's just cars; there will be total pandemonium when driverless HGVs hit the road.

There is the potential to have Clifton Bridge levels of congestion on a daily basis.

I am not sure how much grid lock and carnage people will tolerate before there is total uproar.
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To be honest, with some of the idiots who drive in this region, driverless cars cannot come quick enough.
Even if the cars haven't been adapted,
 
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