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Access to markets vs the real cost. Both the EU and the UK face a similar dilemna.....

Terry Glavin: Canada’s servile relationship with China

Terry Glavin | August 17, 2016 6:35 PM ET

Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi, left, and Foreign Affairs Minister Stéphane Dion hold a press conference in Ottawa on June 1.

It’s pathetic, really. Already notorious among G7 countries for its supine, happy-face relationship with the increasingly decrepit and belligerent Chinese police state, Canada’s foreign affairs establishment is now expecting us to believe that the latest of Beijing’s demands, to which Immigration Minister John McCallum has now so loudly and cheerfully acquiesced, were really Canada’s ideas all along.

If there is another plausible explanation for McCallum’s surprise “request” last week that Beijing allow the tripling of visa application centres in China with a view to radically boosting the number of Chinese students and temporary foreign workers in Canada, that explanation has not come from McCallum. All we’ve heard is the usual treacle about Canada’s openness to the world.

An acceleration of the availability and volume of Canadian visas accessible to Chinese citizens that the authorities in Beijing would encourage to sojourn in Canada was one of the many demands enumerated less than three months ago by Wang Yi, the Chinese Foreign Minister who made an international spectacle of himself at a press conference by barking at Canadian journalists that they had “no right” to raise questions about human rights in China.

Now we’re expected to believe that Wang’s little-noticed demand that Canada boost the supply of visas available to Chinese citizens who are in good standing with Beijing was actually a Canadian idea. We will all be expected to believe a great deal of claptrap like this in the coming days, as Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s visit to China approaches in advance of the Sept. 4-5 G20 Summit in Guangzhou. So be alert.

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True, there is often little to distinguish what Beijing wants from what Canada’s foreign-affairs mandarins want out of the Canada-China relationship, which is in any case rarely even close to what Canadians want — like some demonstrable public benefit for once, the opinion polls consistently show. Now that the Liberal party has returned to power after nearly a decade of Stephen Harper’s Conservative government and its on-again, off-again friendliness with Beijing, the propaganda line is that Canada-China relations are on the verge of a “new golden age.” Count on it. There will be a price, and we will pay. We always do.


We’ve been hearing this sort of thing since the 1980s, when there really was cause to imagine that the emancipation of the Chinese masses was finally foreseeable and China’s vast untapped markets would prove a boon to the Canadian economy. But by the 1990s, after it became obvious that things weren’t evolving quite as we’d been told they would, the China lobby convinced Canadians that all that was required was a big old-fashioned skid-greasing.

Successive federal and provincial governments poured $20 billion into “Pacific gateway” infrastructure, and all Metro Vancouver got in return for being 58 hours closer by ship to China than Los Angeles was an elaborate road, rail and port complex that allowed Beijing to flood North America with cheap goods. Canada got even less. In 1988, federal data showed a modest China-trade surplus of $1.6 billion in Canada’s favour. By last year, Canada was saddled with an annual Chinese trade deficit of $45 billion.While dozens of Canadian politicians and mandarins went on to enrich themselves in China trade consultancies — most of them Liberal party grandees and their civil service hangers-on — the prosperity all these Disco Generation wise guys promised us has accrued mainly to a parasitic class of Chinese Communist Party multibillionaires and their few corporate accomplices in Canada. For all the smiles and the smooching that Ottawa and Beijing put on for show, the underlying “message” Beijing transmits nowadays is always the same: nice little country you have here. Shame if anything should happen to it.

As with the Pacific gateway, Canadians were similarly hoodwinked by the Immigrant Investor Program (IIP). Begun by Conservative free trader Brian Mulroney and conceived mainly as a way to lure thousands of jittery cash-rich Hong Kong entrepreneurs to Canada, the IIP ended up as the primary means by which Canadian real estate became a favoured bolthole for all the money being spirited out of the People’s Republic. As the country descends deeper into the abyss, Chinese banks were drained of nearly a trillion dollars in illegal money transfers last year alone.

The IIP had to be folded up by the Harper Conservatives after it became clear — and as it took the South China Morning Post’s Ian Young to reveal — that Canada’s ragged refugee-class immigrants had contributed more to Revenue Canada than the IIP’s big-spender immigrant investors did over the life of the program. Now, in an inter-provincial ripoff far more outrageous than any of those “equalization payment” uproars between “have” and “have-not” provinces that have erupted from time to time, the Quebec government has taken over the immigrant-investor racket. Quebec scoops up an $800,000 loan from every IIP arrival – roughly 2,000 “investors” annually — nine out of 10 of whom then immediately get back on a plane and fly elsewhere, mainly Vancouver.

The B.C. treasury gets nothing out of this — and the B.C. government’s recent 15-per-cent sales tax imposition on properties bought by foreign nationals isn’t expected to change a thing. What Vancouverites have gotten out of this is one of the world’s least affordable cities, bitterly divided against itself. Average house prices in Metro Vancouver have nearly tripled over the past 15 years. Home ownership for working families is a thing of the past. Now we’re being sold on a Chinese version of the temporary foreign worker program. Conceived as a short-term remedy to the occasional ailment of acute labour shortages in key industries, the indentured-labour service had to be dismantled by the Conservatives owing to its inevitably scandalous abuse by disreputable employers. By 2012, there were 338,000 temporary foreign workers in Canada. Last year the number was down to about 90,000. Now, McCallum is championing a ramped up, Beijing-vetted version. You would not be unwise to wager that this will not end well.

China is falling apart. The kleptocracy overseen by Chinese President Xi Jinping is more vicious and brutally anti-democratic than any regime run by any clique the Chinese Communist Party’s ruling elite has vomited up since the days of Mao Zedong. Having annexed the South China Sea in defiance of every principle of international maritime law, Beijing is intruding ever deeper into Africa, Central Asia and the Middle East. Just last weekend, Chinese military envoy Xie Xiaoyan initialled an aid-and-training deal between the Chinese People’s Liberation Army and the Syrian defence ministry in Damascus.

You’d think Xi Jinping would have bigger files to concern himself with, but he’s just put the fix in to scuttle Canada’s trade in canola oil to China. It’s a $2.6-billion business, representing Canada’s biggest agricultural export to the People’s Republic. It’s hard to say what price Canada will be expected to pay to have this latest strong-arm extortion lifted.

But we will pay. We always do.

National Post

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/terry-glavin-canadas-servile-relationship-with-china

 
It's the price of having to go cap in hand to the Chinese for investment - as I warned before on these threads and what we are now experiencing yet again.

Our strategic interests are being undermined on an almost daily basis because we lobbed all our policies into the EU hat - now we don't have to do that (or fund them) we really do now need to stop, think and plan again.

China will soon be the financial and military goliath we have to deal with and whilst co-operation and commerce is a must, we need to consider much more carefully what we do and do not allow them to invest into.
 
Spursex - 19/8/2016 12:42

It's the price of having to go cap in hand to the Chinese for investment - as I warned before on these threads and what we are now experiencing yet again.

Our strategic interests are being undermined on an almost daily basis because we lobbed all our policies into the EU hat - now we don't have to do that (or fund them) we really do now need to stop, think and plan again.

China will soon be the financial and military goliath we have to deal with and whilst co-operation and commerce is a must, we need to consider much more carefully what we do and do not allow them to invest into.


The Aussies just blocked a major investment by the Chinese in their major power supplier. The Chinese are blustering. They are outright bullies.
 
80deg16minW - 19/8/2016 13:39

Spursex - 19/8/2016 12:42

It's the price of having to go cap in hand to the Chinese for investment - as I warned before on these threads and what we are now experiencing yet again.

Our strategic interests are being undermined on an almost daily basis because we lobbed all our policies into the EU hat - now we don't have to do that (or fund them) we really do now need to stop, think and plan again.

China will soon be the financial and military goliath we have to deal with and whilst co-operation and commerce is a must, we need to consider much more carefully what we do and do not allow them to invest into.


The Aussies just blocked a major investment by the Chinese in their major power supplier. The Chinese are blustering. They are outright bullies.

I fervently hope that this government has the balls to do exactly the same as the Aussies have.
 
It's this kind of arrogance that is only going to get worse.........


Chinese foreign minister berates Canadian reporter for asking about human rights

'Please don't ask questions in such an irresponsible manner,' Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said

By Mike Blanchfield, The Canadian Press Posted: Jun 01, 2016 5:22 PM ET Last Updated: Jun 02, 2016 7:54 AM ET

China's Minister of Foreign Affairs Wang Yi scolds a Canadian journalist during a press conference with Canadian Minister of Foreign Affairs Stephane Dion. (Justin Tang/Canadian Press)

China's visiting foreign minister publicly berated a Canadian journalist on Wednesday for asking a question about his country's human rights record.

Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said it was "irresponsible" of a journalist from the web outlet iPolitics to ask about human rights and the jailing of a Canadian, Kevin Garratt, who is charged with espionage.

Wang appeared visibly angry as he delivered the scolding in the lobby of Global Affairs headquarters at a joint news conference with Foreign Affairs Minister Stephane Dion.

"Your question is full of prejudice against China and arrogance ... I don't know where that comes from. This is totally unacceptable," Wang said through a translator.

"Other people don't know better than the Chinese people about the human rights condition in China and it is the Chinese people who are in the best situation, in the best position to have a say about China's human rights situation," he continued.

"So I would like to suggest to you that please don't ask questions in such an irresponsible manner. We welcome goodwill suggestions but we reject groundless or unwarranted accusations."

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The iPolitics question was agreed to by a number of journalists representing several news organizations at the event, including The Canadian Press.

Wang asked the journalist if she'd ever been to China.

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"Do you know that China has lifted more than 600 million people out of poverty? And do you know the China is now the second-largest economy in the world from a very low foundation? ... And do you know China has written protection and promotion of human rights into our constitution?"

'Honest and frank conversations'

Earlier, in response to the question that offended his counterpart, Dion said he raised Garratt's case with Wang and never misses an opportunity to raise human rights and difficult consular cases.

Dion said he and Wang had "honest and frank conversations on human rights and consular affairs."

"These discussions are central to a healthy relationship," Dion said. "We expect that we will not always see eye-to-eye with each other, but we need to make progress."

China and Canada also agreed to disagree on the contentious issue of Beijing's behaviour in the South China Sea, Dion said.

High seas geopolitical tensions in Asia and free trade aspirations hung over Wang's visit to Ottawa, which also included a talk with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and his cabinet.

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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, right, meets with Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi on Parliament Hill in Ottawa, Wednesday June 1, 2016. (Adrian Wyld/Canadian Press)

Dion said he had "mature and respectful discussions on our respective positions on regional issues including the South China Sea."

He said Wang was passionate, but so too are China's neighbours.

'New golden age' of Canada-Chinese relations

Several countries in the region oppose China's assertive posture, with Japan particularly taking umbrage over Beijing's claims in the East China Sea. This is significant because the disputed waters also include important international shipping lanes.

China wants to negotiate a free trade deal with Canada, but neither Wang nor Dion had anything new to announce on that front on Wednesday.

Wang said he believes Canada and China are headed for a "new Golden Age" in relations, citing Pierre Trudeau's establishment of diplomatic relations with China in 1970 and gains made by former Liberal prime ministers Jean Chretien and Paul Martin.

Wang made no mention of former Conservative prime minister Stephen Harper, whose near-decade in power started on a frosty note when he was accused of snubbing Beijing.

Trudeau made positive strides with Chinese President Xi Jinping during his first round of international travel last fall. The Chinese leader praised the vision of Trudeau's father, Pierre, for establishing diplomatic relations with the People's Republic in 1970 during a meeting at the G20 in Turkey.

© The Canadian Press, 2016
The Canadian Press

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/chinese-foreign-minister-berates-reporter-1.3611510
 
How long before the Chinese Super League is the best in the world?
 
I don't think it will happen 80.

I can see the top players going there towards the end of their careers. Players like Oscar are overrated wishy washy players.
 
Real Deal - 3/1/2017 19:59

I don't think it will happen 80.

I can see the top players going there towards the end of their careers. Players like Oscar are overrated wishy washy players.

If they ever get their pollution problem under control it could become an issue.
 
80deg16minW - 3/1/2017 20:24

Real Deal - 3/1/2017 19:59

I don't think it will happen 80.

I can see the top players going there towards the end of their careers. Players like Oscar are overrated wishy washy players.

If they ever get their pollution problem under control it could become an issue.

True.

It's a corrupt country as well. They are trying to crack down on corruption in high places, can't see that changing to be honest.

 
I think China is about to get their cum-uppance in the world. They bred like crazy years ago, and had to put the break on it, limiting their race to 2 per family or whatever. If they hadn't the world would have been in bigger trouble trying to cope with it all. To help their population they set up huge industry. They have flooded our markets with all their goods, steel, household goods etc. They've done the same to the USA and people like Trump have had enough. Their own people are short of jobs, yet they have all those items flooding in from China that American people could have made, sold, kept the profits on, paid taxes on, and put into work with and Trump is about to address that. Britain is just the same and so many other countries. If we're wise we will shut down or heavily tax those goods and make them ourselves. India is doing the same to a lesser degree but soon it will be every country for itself and rightly so. If African countries are wise they will try and emulate China and pull themselves out of the red and feed their people. They just need some capital and expertise to allow them to do it, as do other nations.
 
.....''soon it will be every country for itself and rightly so.''.....(above post)

starting with Scotland...lol

the Chinese have it about right....democracy should only go as fast as the masses are able to informatively absorb... otherwise you end up with :-

Honey G.... Brexit... and Twump.

(and Ed Balls almost making it to the final-cut in Strictly).

 
80deg16minW - 3/1/2017 15:31

How long before the Chinese Super League is the best in the world?



1000 years possibly, realistically it could take longer than that :19:
 
just like happened in merry ole England, the best league will inevitably be the one that pays the players the most.. therefore there can only be 1 winner in the next 10yrs..

and it aint gonna be Brexitland, thats for certain.