Child Allowance?

The Fear

The Fear

A Wise Man (once sat next to him)
Maybe people can educate or sway my opinion.

Child allowance. Why does the country pay this out?

If you want children, why does the country have to pay that out?

If I can be convinced that it should be, I doubt very much I can be convinced it should be paid for any more than your first two, but please feel to give it a go.

I don't understand why some of my tax to support those who want kids?

The fact it isn't means tested is another big error, like many benefits.

Look forward to sensible responses. :14:
 
There isn't one JF. My parents didn't get it for me as I was an only child by my parents marriage until 2 years before I left school. They didn't give it for the first child then. My Father tried to give it back as he didn't want it. They said he had to have it. Totally agree, that it should be appreciated, rather than expected. I didn't have my youngsters for the state to look after them. Old school I suppose.

Child benefit is now means tested. If you are on more than £40 k a year, or it might be £45k you don't get it now. Though the bit (as there is always as stupid policy in there) is a single Mom earning £40 k plus can't have it, however 2 parents both earning less than £45 k each can have it. So if they both earning £39 k each they get to keep it.

I know there has to be a cut offline, however it will be galling to the single parent
 
If you're going to have it, means testing is a very blunt instrument. Far better to make it subject to income tax. You could take the view that in countries where the population is declining because people have stopped breeding to replacement levels, then children's allowance is an incentive to produce future taxpayers.
 
There is one, don't care what it is called, allowance or benefit, it is paid out.

Yes, actually my bad on means testing, it was done in another typical fuck up. As per usual, wasn't thought through and wasn't balanced. But that's a side issue to my real issue.

Why is it deemed necessary to pay it? Nice little bonus I'm sure, but why? We can't afford stuff like that but onward we persist.

These things should at the very least be opt in, like heating allowance etc etc etc... Plenty wouldn't take it if it wasn't pre-set.

I'm not saying I'd not take it if given blackwood_villa, obviously, I just do not see why it is done and most certainly why it isn't at least limited to the first 2.

 
Wsn't it set up after the war to encourage people to have children . I haven't checked to see so I maybe wrong.
 
Think it was, people encouraged to get giggy with it, but in an age of austerity, I feel baffled as to why this is still automatically paid out and especially for those not working but still dropping kids like they are going out of fashion!

 
I guess, what you don't want is kids going to bed hungry. The Occupy dudes were campaigning for a minimum income. That might be better. Then, if you want to spend your money on kids, you can.
 
Agreed re kids not going hungry, in the western world that should be - isn't always - a given.

Prospective parents must surely be able to assess how many mouths they can afford to feed and for some maybe a few less bevvies, fags junk food binges could go towards their own offspring?!
 
The purpose was originally to ensure that housewives had some money to feed and clothe their children as it was common, back then, for women to stay at home and be reliant on the "generosity" of their husband to have enough money to run the household.

Now it's pointless. Not to say that the funds should not be available to those that need it, just that a blanket psyment to all that have kids is pointless and a waste. That said, I wonder how much they save on the total bill by making it cheep and simple to administrate. There might be an argument that says it's cheaper to pay a standard sum to all than to have to administrate a more complex system, despite actual payouts being lower.

 
''gettin giggy with it'' LOL PMSL

I have seen folk have kids and be more bothered about the money they get than the kids themselves, i defo think only poor poor families who literally can't afford to feed there kids and cloth them should be in receiving tax payers bonus money like Child Allowance, trouble is sifting out the ones that need and the ones that don't but just take

 
The Fear - 25/2/2015 17:07

Agreed re kids not going hungry, in the western world that should be - isn't always - a given.

Prospective parents must surely be able to assess how many mouths they can afford to feed and for some maybe a few less bevvies, fags junk food binges could go towards their own offspring?!
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Whilst I agree with you the Civil Liberties and Human Rights brigades will never accept such a statement and as things stand, they have too much support to ignore them.


 
The Fear - 25/2/2015 15:24

Think it was, people encouraged to get giggy with it, but in an age of austerity, I feel baffled as to why this is still automatically paid out and especially for those not working but still dropping kids like they are going out of fashion!
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It is given but is taken into account when assessing benefit entitlement.

Now they pay child monies separate from the monies for the parent. So you get an allowance paid separately for the children plus child benefit which is paid monthly. Then you get what the parent/s are entitled too which is paid separately.

The child's amount is sorted by the tax offices, as are all child related benefits now, such as working tax credit
 
I'm not really a fan of any benefits and with a few changes I would scrap the whole system entirely. The problem we have is that we are feeding the rich - watching & supporting TV shows like The X Factor, supports the rich. If nobody watches, then they have no show.
Its the free world - where we buy what we want - you like a music track, then you buy it. But you support the rich. This is how it all works, strive to get on, be where the money is, survival of the fittest. Yet those that survive have to support those that cant - what a sucker punch that is and how does that encourage motivation?
The problem with the current system is that we don't(through evolution) encourage striving to get on..And thus weeding out the weak. This sounds awful and UnChristian...But we are creating a society at present, where we torment, torture, ridicule all the unfortunate.
 
The Fear - 26/2/2015 01:07

Agreed re kids not going hungry, in the western world that should be - isn't always - a given.

Prospective parents must surely be able to assess how many mouths they can afford to feed and for some maybe a few less bevvies, fags junk food binges could go towards their own offspring?!
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Not all parenthood is planned and people's financial circumstances change. You can't plan out your life with a calculator.
 
I'm pretty aware of that mate. But then, not all countries give money hand over fist and get themselves into mental debt giving unnecessary money to people who could prioritise their own better I don't think?

And yes, if circumstances change and then need help, that's fine, that is what the welfare system is for. But automatic payments just because you have children?!
 
The Fear - 26/2/2015 18:22

I'm pretty aware of that mate. But then, not all countries give money hand over fist and get themselves into mental debt giving unnecessary money to people who could prioritise their own better I don't think?

And yes, if circumstances change and then need help, that's fine, that is what the welfare system is for. But automatic payments just because you have children?!
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Yeah, I do agree with you, mate. Over here they have a different social welfare system. You and your employer pay into an individual fund which you can withdraw from if you are unemployed, sick or to buy a house. It seems to work pretty well but things have been good economically since I've been here. I'm not sure how well it works in a recession when everyone is looking to get their money out. It probably works well here because families are closer too. They tend to look after each other a bit better.

Maybe you should have a rake of kids and start creaming in all that juicy government cash?
 
I think I'll give that idea a miss BodyButter, I'll just campaign for No Children Allowance to be added to the handouts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol
 
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