Ched Evans Signs for Oldham

kefkat - 8/1/2015 20:30

CDX I have read through the article: I am shaking my head. The world is getting madder. They were both intoxicated. They are both responsible. Here is what the problem lies today with so many things and that people want to play the blame game and not take responsibility
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As you said earlier it just trivializes real cases...

Could be just that most of the articles I read about tend to come from America but it never seems to be as bad anywhere else... I dont see this type of thing in Ireland or England, okay we've got this thread but I dont remember the last time anything even brought up a hint of a debate...

Madness the fight for equality has gone crazy very few areas where equality exists... Just bias in one direction or the other... Lets not get started on Paris or 'Political Correctness' we're never gona get our shit together on this planet...
 
BBJ - 7/1/2015 22:45

We're not talking about a convicted paedophile seeking to return to his previous job as a school headmaster. He has served his sentence and wants now to earn a living playing football. He may or may not be a nice person but that ought not to disqualify him from being a footballer. There is a touch of a lynch mob mentality about some of the press coverage.
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FFS we are talking about a convicted rapist. Maybe you dont think rape is a serious crime, I certainly do. Nothing to do with lynch mob, he is a rapist, does that not fucking resonate with you?
 
Juan Mourep - 8/1/2015 14:57

Wurzel - 7/1/2015 18:43

No grey area, he was convicted in a court of law.
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As previously stated, IF that was a guarantee of guilt, fair enough, but it's not is it, no where near it, but it's obviously enough for some to get the pitchforks out.

He does not show any remorse for his crime.
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If I was innocent neither would I!

A disgusting individual.
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Personal bias?

He has served time but as one of the sponsors of Oldham said he has a right to a job after his sentence, he does not have a right to a football job.
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Who has the right to decide that?

As for Oldham not the first time they have done this sort of thing, terrible club.
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Yet more personal bias?

I wonder if any of their players and management are brave enough to make a stand.
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With a mob mentality like yours prevalent, I doubt it, but it's all done and dusted, because some of the lovely, grounded, sensible people of this great nation, decided it was perfectly fine to threaten to kill members of the board and others associated with this, but at least they aren't threatening to rape them, so that's all right isn't it?
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As always you are full of shit. He was convicted in a court of law, his mate was acquitted, which speaks volumes. If he has cause for appeal he should make it, although there is none forthcoming form him. He was guilty in the eyes of the law. Nowhere have I spoken support for the idiots who made threats against the club or their board members. I demand you apologise for even suggesting I did. They are as stupid as the morons making light of a woman's rape.

As I said he has served a sentence, he is allowed to make a living, that does not mean he is allowed to make that living as a footballer.
 
I think there are 2 conversations on this thread at the same time, one about Evans and one about the article about the college students in America, and it's a bit confusing.

1) Re Evans, we don't know how drunk the girl was because she can't remember. Of course the defendant will claim she consented, maybe she did consent at the time, in which case I feel sorry for him because in my opinion if you make a decision when drunk it's your own fault even if you're very drunk and it's a very poor decision. On the other hand she could have been completely out of it and that's why she can't remember it, and he raped her.

2) Regarding the college students, the guy was found not to have committed a crime so that's a relief, but being kicked out of university is an outrage. Both as drunk as each other, and she was the one coming on to the guy, so it's not even a case of a sleazy guy taking advantage. It does show the level of inequality that a woman when drunk is effectively deemed to be unable to be responsible for her own actions, yet an equally drunk man is not only held responsible for his own actions, but also responsible for the actions of another human being too. Also, as the girl texted her friends and walked up (and down) a flight of stairs and went to his room it proves she was not too incapacitated, she was aware of her actions and it was her decision. I kind of feel sorry for the girl because she is obviously upset by the incident, but then I don't feel sorry for her because she got a guy kicked out of uni for her own drunken mistake.
 
ASPINALL - 9/1/2015 13:15

Why can't he be a footballer ?

He didn't rape the girl - it is a joke
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Unless the ruling is overturned, I think know you will find he did.

Bit surprised, as I said earlier, how so many of you in this thread seem better informed than the jury who convicted him.

Was an interesting debate on question time on this last night. It is certainly one that goes round and round, once you have served your time etc. However, when in the public eye like this, especially in sport where fans don't exactly hold back, it isn't an easy one.

I'd not want to cheer on a convicted rapist. I would feel gutted for anyone convicted and later found innocent though, obviously.
 
Juan Mourep - 8/1/2015 15:06


Harry Redknapp even points out that a drunk driver who wiped out and killed a family is now playing football, another drunk driver who fled the scene of the crime, back playing football, are we saying that rape is a worse crime than killing someone?
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Yes, one of the points that was raised last night. I'd not want to go see that vile c*** either though.

Also an interesting point one of the audience made, why is it ok for him to go and work in sainsbury for example, amongst other normal working class people, but not football.



 
Wurzel - 8/1/2015 21:53

BBJ - 7/1/2015 22:45

We're not talking about a convicted paedophile seeking to return to his previous job as a school headmaster. He has served his sentence and wants now to earn a living playing football. He may or may not be a nice person but that ought not to disqualify him from being a footballer. There is a touch of a lynch mob mentality about some of the press coverage.
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FFS we are talking about a convicted rapist. Maybe you dont think rape is a serious crime, I certainly do. Nothing to do with lynch mob, he is a rapist, does that not fucking resonate with you?
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Wurzel, of course I think that rape is a serious crime and I'm somewhat put out that you would consider for even a split second that I would think anything else. But he was sentenced by a jury of his peers to five years for this heinous deed. He was not sentenced to five years plus being unable ever again to earn his living as a footballer.
And no need to swear at me either! :14:
 
But if guilty, which as said, unless overturned etc etc, does society need to worry about whether he can or can't get back I to the entertainment industry?

That sort of crime surely is the sort that, if you are an entertainer, is going to destroy your potential audience?

And yes, that goes for the drive know driver scum bag who then left the scene of the crime as well.

Do we owe them any pity of they do that sort of thing and then blow their careers.

It is them blowing it through their actions, not society?

Or does Rolf Harris go back to being on TV when he gets out?

I don't necessarily have the answers, just know there are limits to what I would go and support.
 
I guess Evans isn't going to be left penniless anyway: I am sure his fiancée million Dad will find work for him somewhere in the background
 
Yeah, he's lucky he got with a rich bimbo, probably the first and last smart thing he ever did.
 
david-avfc - 8/1/2015 16:13

Juan Mourep - 8/1/2015 14:56

david-avfc - 7/1/2015 18:23

It's a grey area regarding the conviction.

all I can say is he was convicted (and I have faith in the system), so I guess that's the only thing that needs to be considered.
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If everybody in prison was actually guilty then I would agree with you, but they're not.
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I know, but on average you'd have to trust the legal system.
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No, no I don't, not in any way shape or form, HELL NO!


Secret courts?! Family courts unable to disclose details?! People locked up for years for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, people locked up for nothing, no, no man, I don't believe in the legal system in the slightest, maritime law, no, we're on land, this isn't the 1700's yet you have to go into a dock? Do a bit of research and get back to me.

Look, I'm happy you have no negative experience of the British legal system, great, I hope you never do, But I have, so no, I have no faith.




 
Wurzel - 8/1/2015 21:53

BBJ - 7/1/2015 22:45

We're not talking about a convicted paedophile seeking to return to his previous job as a school headmaster. He has served his sentence and wants now to earn a living playing football. He may or may not be a nice person but that ought not to disqualify him from being a footballer. There is a touch of a lynch mob mentality about some of the press coverage.
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FFS we are talking about a convicted rapist. Maybe you dont think rape is a serious crime, I certainly do. Nothing to do with lynch mob, he is a rapist, does that not fucking resonate with you?
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You obviously believe that the courts are always right, well, here's a reality check, they are not, he's maintained his innocence even though it would be easier in the eyes of the law to admit your crime.

Nothing is black and white Wurzel, what the f's happened to you man, you used to question things.


 
Wurzel - 8/1/2015 22:00

As always you are full of shit. He was convicted in a court of law, his mate was acquitted, which speaks volumes. If he has cause for appeal he should make it, although there is none forthcoming form him. He was guilty in the eyes of the law. Nowhere have I spoken support for the idiots who made threats against the club or their board members. I demand you apologise for even suggesting I did.
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I suggested what? I suggest you read my post again, as for me being full of shit, well fuck you very much, just because I don't follow the media and social media outrage, doesn't mean I'm full of shit, look at the case, do some bloody research for a change, are you really that closed minded? Do you really believe in the "system" so much? Seriously?! I held you in higher regard man.



 
Suffering from a fatal dose of Manflu, loads of drugs and half a bottle of Brandy (a fine champagne brandy I'll have you know) but I seriously must point out to those who obviously have no clue, the British legal system is NOT in any way, shape, or form suitable for purpose, it is outdated and so full of shite it's unbelievable, it is designed to support those in the system, It doesn't matter if you have absolute proof that you are innocent, unless it fits in with what the courts desire you have no bloody chance.

The deck is stacked against you, just ask any father looking for justice.




 
Seems strange the Dad of his missus is helping Evans out so much.

On the face of it ( as the father of a young girl ) I would be having nothing to do with the bloke if he treated her badly, so maybe he knows it is a load of bollocks

The fact he even cheated would be enough for me to urge my daughter to get rid - so a weird one

If you read the transcript - at the time the girl said yes to sex and told Evans to go down on Her, but the court ruled she was too pissed for that yes to count

I'm not saying Evans is anything less than a weasel but he didn't force himself and rape her
 
He's changed his name by deed poll to The Convicted Rapist Ched Evans .

Peter Sutcliffe never got this much coverage .

Some thing not quite right here when his girlfriend and her Dad are standing by him and its not for his money .

I'm wondering how many men haven't sha++ed a drunken woman in their life time ?




 
Freeman14 - 9/1/2015 23:50

Yeah, he's lucky he got with a rich bimbo, probably the first and last smart thing he ever did.
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How do you know his girlfriend is a "bimbo"? Just asking.....
 
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