Chav's unravelling?
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spursgirl_4_life
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The third season curse strikes again for Mourinho.
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hazzabee
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That's one way to look at it. Another way to look at it is: can Fergie be considered a great manager considering the fact that he only achieved proper domestic and European success with one team.
Personally I think managers have different qualities and there's no way you can call Mourinho or Fergie anything other than fantastic managers. There isn't a right or wrong way to manage when they both have won trophies more or less every season of their managerial careers.
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hazzabee
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Also, you never know how much truth there is to these types of stories, but if anything, Mourinho has done all he can to AVOID publicly slamming his players. Despite an utterly abysmal start to the season, the only time he's come out and publicly criticised his players was after the Newcastle game, and even then he only criticised the first half (and praised the second half revival).
So personally, even if there is tension behind the scenes, I very much doubt that the Chelsea players are pissed off at his public shaming, because in truth, there's been barely any of it.
So personally, even if there is tension behind the scenes, I very much doubt that the Chelsea players are pissed off at his public shaming, because in truth, there's been barely any of it.
Something weird going on over at the bridge. I was frankly stunned by his recent buying strategy. Selling Andre schurrle 24 and Kevin De bruyne 24 obviously talented players with growing to do, in favour of juan cuadrado 27, and Pedro 28, smacks of a coach who just does not want to coach. He has clearly fallen out with John Terry- the manic attempts to buy Stones tells you that he sees that his spine is weak- history teaches this makes for bad dressing room vibes. I think he will come unstuck and much to the chagrin of the Scousers I see Klopp arriving before too long.
freundorfoe
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if you mean by name then sure there was only one time but I can think of several he's bemoaned the players performance, the latest being last night.
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hazzabee
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Gotta say I disagree with a lot of this.
I was personally a rather big fan of KDB ever since we signed him from Genk, and I appreciated Schurrle's usefulness to the squad. Not necessarily a match winner, but it was a mistake to sell him (and not replace him) as his direct running and eye for goal offered something a little different from our usual batch of tricky number 10s (Willian, Oscar)
But the mistake to make would be to say that Mourinho wanted to sell both KDB and Schurrle. Both players have said they wanted to leave because they weren't happy not starting every week. These types of players are difficult to manage, if they want to leave, and if (as Jose claimed) you have De Bruyne as a result not training hard enough, arguably the smart thing is to let them leave. Perhaps the replacements didn't work out, but I don't think Jose 'wanted' either of those players to leave in the first place. They are 2 small black dots on our otherwise spotless transfer record over the past 3 or 4 years.
Pedro (for me) is Schurrle's delayed replacement, a more direct 'winger' as opposed to the number 10s we have in our three attacking midfield roles. Cuadrado was a mistake, sure, but at the time, a Schurrle-Cuadrado straight swap looked a decent piece of business. It didn't work out that way but it wasn't exactly mental at the time.
I also wouldn't call our attempts to buy Stones 'manic'. We made 3 or 4 bids, and they were rejected. He's clearly seen as the long term replacement for Terry and there's nothing wrong with that. I don't think there's any signs of a fall out with terry either. Who wouldn't look a bit miffed after getting dropped - possibly signalling the beginning of the end of your career? Both Terry and Mourinho have said recently that they have the utmost respect for one another and their relationship is fantastic - only a few weeks ago Terry told Piers Morgan that he would jump under a bus for Jose (this was after he was dropped from the starting XI)
The concern for me lies with the lack of shape and organisation (and fight) of the team - which is very unlike any Mourinho team to date. But I think it's fanciful to suggest that Terry and Mourinho have fallen out, it's short-sighted to suggest that our transfers have been terrible, and I think it's wrong to criticise him on the departures of KDB and Schurrle - who both wanted to leave the club.
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hazzabee
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We're 14th, we've lost 5 games already, he'd be complete loony to tell the media that he's been really pleased with every single performance this season.
What he does is bemoan bad luck, he has never solely blamed the players. He described the Porto match as 'a good performance with two ridiculous mistakes' - he frequently praises the performance of the team, and afterwards states that one or two moments let us down, or one or two incidents which would usually go our way, didn't.
If he had said, 'we played well, but Ivanovic once again played terribly' - then this article would have a point, but he's never singled out anyone and has frequently avoided putting sole blame on any player or even the team as a whole.
For a team who has started SO badly, he really hasn't blamed the players at all.
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hazzabee
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or at least, as much as others in his position probably would've by now
freundorfoe
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-1 out of 10 performance a lack of serial winners and wanting to sub 6 players are just 3 off the top of my head. Not saying he shouldn't be giving them some tough love but to say he's not criticising the players isn't true
freundorfoe
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Double post. Plz remove
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hazzabee
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I didn't say he's not criticising them, I said there's been barely any of it. Those quotes you've used are all from the same match - Newcastle, which I've already said above is the only time he's been totally critical of the players. Other than that, despite our abysmal situation, he's barely publicly shamed anyone. As much as people are probably desperate to find fault with Mourinho's methods, with regards to this, he's pretty clean.
steveperryman
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Love him or hate him there can be no denying he's one of the all time greats. Arrogant? Most definitely but brilliant nonetheless.
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hazzabee
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hazzabee
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Arrogant? Certainly. A total twat? Almost definitely. But very few get to the very top without being so :59:
