BT Sport Subliminal messaging | Vital Football

BT Sport Subliminal messaging

Big Chiv

Vital Football Legend
I'm watching Everton v West Ham on BT Sport, and after every replay there is a subliminal style message flashed showing ' No Room for Racism '

Who the fuck do they think they are that they should decide to brainwash people ?

What next ' Vote Labour ' ?

I am genuinely fucking shocked at this shit.
 
Fuck me, Sky doing exactly the same on the Palace vs City game.

Welcome to Big Brother folks , this is truly disgusting.
 
So Sky cut it out for the Man Utd v Liverpool game today.

I wonder how many other people complained ?
 
Actually, I really can't see the problem.

Racism in football is a problem as we've all just witnessed, frankly the single biggest medium for those who still indulge in it, is a football game that's being televised.

It has to be stopped, so have no problem with this topical short term messaging at all.
 
Actually, I really can't see the problem.

Racism in football is a problem as we've all just witnessed, frankly the single biggest medium for those who still indulge in it, is a football game that's being televised.

It has to be stopped, so have no problem with this topical short term messaging at all.



It is not the message that is the problem , but the fact that these broadcasters think it is within their remit to message at all which is the problem.

The style and frequency that BT were flashing this on and off the screen made the game virtually unwatchable, is that now seen as part of their remit, make their customers turn off and cancel their subscriptions, good luck if they think that is a good business model.

I would have thought that you of all people would have understood that Ex.


Nice little snippet from Martin Samuel on the latest PL ' initiative ' lol.


Is an inanimate object racist?
Anti-racism footballs were deployed in the Premier League this weekend.
Does this mean that up to now, racist footballs were being used instead? And will the League go back to those racist footballs in two weeks' time? And exactly how does an inanimate object become racist, or anti-racist, for that matter?
20006622-7597847-image-a-28_1571688783755.jpg


+7

Footballs emblazoned with Kick It Out's 'No room for racism' slogan were used this weekend
As these vital questions were being pondered over in an image consultants somewhere, the players of Haringey Borough were doing something rather more tangible in the fight against prejudice, by just walking off.
A pity the type of folk who think racism is best beaten with slogans don't do the same. Beachy Head might be a good place to start.




Swap the word 'slogans' for 'messages' and he's dead right, this is virtue signalling at it's best and solves nothing.
 
I was away, didn't see the game - but if it's being done every other minute then it's bound to wind up everyone.

I guess that the media platform wanted to show it too can make a contribution to the help solving the problem - I still can't fault them, they made an effort and let's all hope that they do more than flash slogans in future - I'd love to see them refuse to air matches where the teams 'fans' have just been caught doing it - the loss of fees to the club might just do something to make them do more, or better still force the FA/UEFA/FIFA to take much more serious punishing action - like deducting points or forcing empty stadiums and whole math fee fines .

Or even being chucked out of cups it it's crystal clear who's doing it.
 
It's harder to come up with suitable punishments than it first appears though.

I think playing games behind closed doors punishes an innocent away team and it's supporters, remember Croatia v England last year ?
I felt sorry for both sets of players having to endure a complete no atmoshpere occasion, let alone England supporters denied a trip abroad, why were they punished ?

Points deductions could easily be open to manipulation by 'ringers' in a home or away crowd, the way this problem is being hamfistedly handled by the FA and PL, I could envisage for example one chav supporter tunring up at one of our home games, shouting abuse and getting us docked 3 points.

Not easy at all is it, but I have full confidence in the PL and FA to come up with a solution which actually solves none of the original problems but instead creates a whole host of new ones, just think VAR.
 
It's harder to come up with suitable punishments than it first appears though.

I think playing games behind closed doors punishes an innocent away team and it's supporters, remember Croatia v England last year ?
I felt sorry for both sets of players having to endure a complete no atmoshpere occasion, let alone England supporters denied a trip abroad, why were they punished ?

Points deductions could easily be open to manipulation by 'ringers' in a home or away crowd, the way this problem is being hamfistedly handled by the FA and PL, I could envisage for example one chav supporter tunring up at one of our home games, shouting abuse and getting us docked 3 points.

Not easy at all is it, but I have full confidence in the PL and FA to come up with a solution which actually solves none of the original problems but instead creates a whole host of new ones, just think VAR.

Assuming that the culprits are identified and prosecuted as the wholesale use of CCTV now allows for, if it's a home supporter - bringing down punishments on the club or country should be relatively straight forward. Sadly, it will probably only be the anger of their fellow supporters that will bring it to a swift end rather than the whole game chanting and commentary we have all seen and heard.

I can just5 as easily see the day when a chav fan trys to turn up - spouts off and gets dragged out by the stewards and investigated for how he got the ticket and who he really supports - it's all about effort and hitting clubs/countries who consistently turn a blind eye to it, as they do in Italy, Spain etc etc
 
Actually, I really can't see the problem.

Racism in football is a problem as we've all just witnessed, frankly the single biggest medium for those who still indulge in it, is a football game that's being televised.

It has to be stopped, so have no problem with this topical short term messaging at all.


And in the Labour party!!!!
 
And in the Labour party!!!!



Knife crime seems to be no problem though, no messages necessary there .

A football player earning 200k a week being called a name is far more important than kids being stabbed to death every single day in this country.

And the biggest irony is the kids are usually black, but hey, right on is right on.
 
Totally agree Chiv....the list can go on and on...

...e.g or the need for food banks in the UK in 2019

Political correctness seems to have more influence than any other focus group.
 
Knife crime seems to be no problem though, no messages necessary there .

A football player earning 200k a week being called a name is far more important than kids being stabbed to death every single day in this country.

And the biggest irony is the kids are usually black, but hey, right on is right on.

If the knifing's and killing were football-related, I've no doubt that they'd have put out similar messages -but they aren't, that said I applaud QPR's move to rename their stadium after a victim and supporting his father's crusade to get kids to give up the knives.

The sad fact is that no one wants to talk about is that these knifings are so often linked to drug dealing and the gangs running the territory's, (which are predominately black youngsters) a senior ranking Police office in London told me sometime ago, that under Khan we'd lost control of the streets completely, and that was a direct result of the policies he pursued.

I have no idea what the answers are now; using stop and search by applying for a warrant after an incident is about as dumb a reaction as you can get - but Khan curtailed S&S so much the Police daren't use it now.
 
Last edited:
If the knifing's and killing were football-related, I've no doubt that they'd have put out similar messages -but they aren't, that said I applaud QPR's move to rename their stadium after a victim and supporting his father's crusade to get kids to give up the knives.

The sad fact is that no one wants to talk about is that these knifings are so often linked to drug dealing and the gangs running the territory's, (which are predominately black youngsters) a senior ranking Police office in London told me sometime ago, that under Khan we'd lost control of the streets completely, and that was a direct result of the policies he pursued.

I have no idea what the answers are now; using stop and search by applying for a warrant after an incident is about as dumb a reaction as you can get - but Khan curtailed S&S so much the Police daren't use it now.



I see the PC culture as being reponsible for this whole situation in a lot of ways.

Many ( the majority ?) of these kids come from broken homes without a father figure, go to primary schools with all women teachers who have an 'we're all winners and don't be rough boys' leftie attitude, and then on to secondary school where any male teachers they come across will undoubtedly be hand wringing, limp wristed right on nerds who believe passionately in toxic masculinity.

No wonder these boys end up running in gangs, where else do boys like them who actually want to and enjoy being boys get their role models from in their formative years ?

I could write an essay on what damage PC culture has done to society, but what's the point, when a supposed Conservative party has been in power for years, and Marxist May was responsible for a lot of PC crap herself, the game is well and truly over.
 
A slightly lighter side but still shows how PC has become ridiculous.... ...a mate of mine had his family over and said I know rather than cook lets get a Chinky....shock and horror,,,his mid 30's boys turned on him and said 'you simply cannot say that dad'

As far as I understand it Chinky is used as slang for Chinese food in this country. ( i know it was derived in mainly the US in the 1890's due to the chinese immigrants helping to build the railways) but come on...are we actually saying that chinese food is getting upset by being called a Chinky. Certainly in the East End as we were growing up it was used all the time and was never meant in any way to be derogatory to Chinese people...it was just slang for a meal choice. PC get real....
 
A slightly lighter side but still shows how PC has become ridiculous.... ...a mate of mine had his family over and said I know rather than cook lets get a Chinky....shock and horror,,,his mid 30's boys turned on him and said 'you simply cannot say that dad'

As far as I understand it Chinky is used as slang for Chinese food in this country. ( i know it was derived in mainly the US in the 1890's due to the chinese immigrants helping to build the railways) but come on...are we actually saying that chinese food is getting upset by being called a Chinky. Certainly in the East End as we were growing up it was used all the time and was never meant in any way to be derogatory to Chinese people...it was just slang for a meal choice. PC get real....

It really is a question of age; younger Asians of ethic origin see it as highly offensive;


Chinky


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




Jump to navigation Jump to search
This article is about the British slang. For the ethnic slur, see Chink.


A Chinese takeaway in Birkenhead, Merseyside, seen here in March 2012.

In the United Kingdom, chinky (or chinky chonky,[1] in parts of northern England known as a chinkies, always in the plural) is an offensive slang word for a Chinese takeaway restaurant or Chinese food. However, along with 'chink', they are named among TV's most offensive words.[2] Originally, the word 'chink' refers to a narrow opening, slit or small gap, a negative analogy used to deride peoples with epicanthic folds. In the 20th century, the word 'chink' was a term used by many white North Americans to exclude and mock the facial appearance of Chinese migrants.
After several campaigns by the Scottish Executive, more people in Scotland now acknowledge that this name is indirectly racist.[3] However, the Broadcasting Standards Commission held in 2002, after a complaint about the BBC One programme The Vicar of Dibley, that when used as the name of a type of restaurant or meal, rather than as an adjective applied to a person or group of people, the word still carries extreme racist connotation which causes offence particularly to those of east asian origin.[4]
In a document commissioned by Ofcom titled "Language and Sexual Imagery in Broadcasting: A Contextual Investigation"[5] their definition of chink was " a term of racial offence/abuse. However, this is polarising. Older and mainly white groups tend to think this is not usually used in an abusive way—e.g., let's go to the Chinky—which is not seen as offensive by those who aren't of East Asian origin; however, younger people, East Asians, particularly people of Chinese racial background and other non white ethnic minorities feel the word 'Cinky, Chinkies or Chinkie' to be as insulting as '****' or '******'."
However, a year earlier, the Commission's counterpart, the Radio Authority, apologised for the offence caused by an incident where a DJ on Heart 106.2 used the term.[6] Ofcom, the successor organisation of the two, classifies it as a derivative of the racist term "chink" but notes that the degree to which the term is deemed offensive varies according to age or ethnic origin of the listener.[7]
The term gained renewed attention in 2014 after it a recording emerged of UKIP candidate Kerry Smith referring to a woman of Chinese background as a "chinky bird".[8]
 
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/po...ably-an-elderly-male-Northern-Ukip-voter.html



Find the words ‘poofter’ and ‘Chinky’ inoffensive? You’re probably an elderly, male, Northern, Ukip voter
Female 20 and 30-something Scottish Liberal Democrats most likely to disagree with Nigel Farage about acceptability of certain words





FARAGE_3144554b.jpg


Men, Northerners and the over-60s are most likely to agree with Nigel Farage about the acceptability of words others find offensive Photo: Paul Gorver/The Telegraph















By Rosa Prince


6:00AM GMT 24 Dec 2014







Supporters of the UK Independence Party are overwhelmingly more likely than other voters to agree with Nigel Farage that the words Chinky and “poofter” are inoffensive and an ordinary way of speaking for some people.
Men, the over 60s and those living in the North of England are also less likely to be offended by words considered racist and homophobic than other sections of society.
In contrast, women, Scots and voters aged between 25 and 39 are the most likely to take umbrage at terms such as “Chinky” and "poofter."
Last week, Ukip candidate Kerry Smith was forced to stand aside after a recording of a phonecall in which he used both words, along with a number of other prejudiced phrases, was leaked to a Sunday newspaper.
In an interview on his regular LBC radio show a few days later, Mr Farage defended the use of the expression “Chinky” to describe a Chinese meal.

Related Articles



He described Mr Smith as a “rough diamond” from a council estate who "talks in a way a lot of people from that background do".
A survey by the pollster YouGov found that around one in three agreed with his assessment, saying that both “Chinky” and “poofter” were “normal language for some people."
Further examination of the research obtained by The Telegraph shows that just one in 10 of those who consider themselves Ukip supporters agreed that the words were offensive, compared to four out of 10 Conservatives, and 62 per cent of Labour backers.

Liberal Democrats were the most likely to find the terms offensive, with 72 per cent saying they should always be considered racist and homophobic.
Men were more tolerant of questionable language than women, with 44 per cent saying they found “Chinky” offensive and 54 per cent disapproving of “poofter,” compared to 53 per cent and 63 per cent respectively for women.

Overall, 49 per cent of the population said that "Chinky" was offensive and 60 per cent were offended by "poofter."


Perhaps surprisingly, those in their mid-20s to late 30s were more likely than the very young to be offend by the two phrases, with 55 per cent saying they were unacceptable, along with 51 per cent of 18 to 24s, 46 per cent of 41 to 59-year-olds and just 41 per cent of the over-60s.
Scots were least tolerant of Mr Farage’s view, followed by Londoners and other Southerners.
 
That's the whole issue of cross generation PC.....one persons meat is another persons poison....a minefield.....what was acceptable once is no longer but the old uns still use it as day to day vocabulary rightly or wrongly.

I wonder what tomorrows generation will find PC offensive out of today's world....

Plastics?
Petrol Heads?
Junk Foodies ?
Meat eaters?
 
MATTHEW PARRIS | COMMENT
October 25 2019, 5:00pm, The Times
Intolerance lurking under the surface of liberal Britain
new
Matthew Parris
A new survey says we’ve become more tolerant in the past 30 years but our attitude to free speech suggests the opposite
methode%2Ftimes%2Fprod%2Fweb%2Fbin%2Fc0a4c76c-f73d-11e9-afe0-18e11653b68e.jpg

Share
Save

“Britain getting more tolerant,” I read. If so, is this because our people are changing their minds or because the Grim Reaper is changing our people? And what do we mean by “tolerant” anyway? Or “liberal”?

The newspaper headlines this week provoke but do not answer those questions. The Times on Thursday said: “Liberal attitudes on the rise . . . ”. The Independent said: “UK has become socially liberal on drugs, abortion and LGBT+ rights over past 30 years, study shows”. The Daily Mail thought that “Britons are more liberal than ever …”

The study in question has been carried out by King’s College London, replicating an Ipsos-MORI survey carried out three decades ago. How different are today’s responses to essentially the questions posed by that 1989 survey? Take for example the surveys’ questions about relationships: “Here is a list of issues some people might think are immoral or morally wrong. Which of them, if any, do you personally think are morally wrong? (i) Couples living together who are not married; (ii) Divorce.”

In 1989 13 per cent of respondents thought cohabitation was morally wrong, and 11 per cent thought the same of divorce. This year the two figures were 7 per cent (cohabitation) and 6 per cent (divorce). “Intolerance”, if that’s the right word, has halved.

In 1989, 40 per cent thought “homosexual sex between consenting adults” morally wrong. Today the figure is 13 per cent. Interestingly, though women remain more relaxed about homosexuality than men, the survey’s gender-divide suggests the gap is narrowing. I’d guess men generally are getting more comfortable about themselves and each other.


Today’s old are yesterday’s young. Have they changed their minds, or is it just that new generations think differently? This survey does not track the same age-cohorts through the years but, broadly speaking, most of those who were young three decades ago appear to have borne their grudges into 2019. There are variations, though. The young of 1989 seem in later years to have become more relaxed about homosexuality. But attitudes have calcified on TV sex and violence.

As for full frontal male nudity, today’s elderly disapprove even more than they used to. Perhaps we wrinklies are asking ourselves whether we would care to appear naked in public!

Results in the two areas of I’ve cited are mirrored across much of this wide survey. On printed pornography, children out of wedlock, soft drugs (and even hard drugs), abortion, euthanasia, embryo-experimentation and TV violence, we seem to be getting steadily more “tolerant”.

Exceptions include sexual infidelity and cinema pornography, which see little change. But the exception that’s seriously out of kilter with the rest (the survey claims) is capital punishment – of which, says the survey, we are now less tolerant: 37 per cent of us now disapproving, when it was 22 per cent in 1989.

I think this is a category mistake by the pollsters’ publicists rather than a rogue social trend. If the same question had been framed differently – to elicit our moral attitudes to murderers and their just deserts – and the result had suggested (as it would) that we’ve become less inclined to kill them, the headline would be that we were getting more “tolerant” or “liberal”, not less.

Which leads me to my question about the meaning of “tolerance”. Take paedophilia. The King’s College survey does not ask about abuse because no such enquiry was included in the Ipsos-MORI survey 30 years ago. My strong hunch however is that we’ve become less “tolerant” of child-abusers, not more. But does that make us less “liberal”? I wouldn’t say so.

Nor does the survey ask about racist attitudes. Again, my hunch is strong. We’re surely getting more “tolerant” of racial diversity – but this of course means we are getting less “tolerant” of racism.

Or male chauvinism (another question the survey doesn’t explore). We’re less “tolerant” of unreconstructed male attitudes, aren’t we? But doesn’t that make us more rather than less “liberal”?

A problem arises from the word “tolerance”. This has positive connotations. Few care to be called intolerant. We therefore tend to use the word for activities or human types that we approve of, or at least don’t strongly disapprove of. But moral attitudes change, and the things we think sinful or wrong change. It follows that as social disapproval is lifted from (say) gays, divorcees, atheists, co-habitees, transgender people or ethnic minorities, we tell ourselves that we’re getting more tolerant, more liberal. But the converse does not apply. As social disapproval intensifies towards (say) child-abuse, wife-beating, religious zealotry or cruelty to animals, we do not tell ourselves we’re getting less tolerant, less liberal. The reason we don’t is that these people or practices have moved beyond the pale so the idea of “tolerance” no longer applies.

An illusion arises: that we’re getting more tolerant all the time. But that’s because we’re only using the word when we approve; so we’re counting in the things we’ve added to the list of what we tolerate, without counting up the things we’ve dropped.

Were we to do so, you might conclude, as I do, that the well of human intolerance remains deep and constant: it only shifts its furies from one disfavoured group to another.

Now that suits a gay man like me, as it may suit people of colour, disabled people or transgender people. Something absolutely central to our lives has ceased to be the handicap it was. St Paul’s “thorn in my side” has been removed. I rejoice that – for us – this is an age of tolerance. Nor can I feel regret that patriarchal male attitudes, racist attitudes or the shrugging off of concerns about child abuse, have become the new taboos.

But there’s one big loss of tolerance I do regret, a loss that disfigures our era. Our tolerance of free speech, and the narrowing of our range of tolerable opinion, marks for me a huge regression from thirty, even forty, years ago. In a way we were not when I was 19 or 29, people are becoming frightened of saying the wrong thing, using the wrong language, or betraying the wrong thoughts, about a pretty wide range of opinion, attitude, or even scientific hypothesis. This is serious, potentially huge, and disabling to human progress.

I’m glad to be gay. But I’m sorry that, whereas as an MP I could propose such motion at an Oxford Union debate 37 years ago, I doubt anyone today could propose the motion “I’m sad to be gay” in a mainstream university debate. If only the new bigotry could see how big a loss this represents, both to tolerance and to liberalism.
 
That's the whole issue of cross generation PC.....one persons meat is another persons poison....a minefield.....what was acceptable once is no longer but the old uns still use it as day to day vocabulary rightly or wrongly.

I wonder what tomorrows generation will find PC offensive out of today's world....

Plastics?
Petrol Heads?
Junk Foodies ?
Meat eaters?



Demonising new words and shifting the goalposts will never end, too many people earn a good living out of the offence industry , their work will never be done, they will make damned sure of that.