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One of the biggest issues is that HMRC, much like the fraud departments of DWP are almost criminally under-resourced and have been for decades. I worked in a department 20 years ago that because of the information it held was in a prime position to report fraud and did so at first.

Problem was that for all the money it saved (and it saved millions) it took time and as resources got tighter - more with less as they call it now - this was dropped.

Unfortunately both the Tory and Labour governments have decimated the civil service. Sometimes with good cause but, in the case of fraud investigation, to the point where it is laughable to even call them departments.

It’s almost like they don’t want to deal with the issue...
 
I don't see how it's even remotely possible to keep morals and political apart
It is.
The failure to do so is the biggest failure of the left. It paints anyone not far left as as evil, and ruins any chance of leftists ever having power.

Perhaps in some areas moral arguments are essential - but mostly you can reduce political decisions to whether or not they increase quality of life where needed.
 
It is.
The failure to do so is the biggest failure of the left. It paints anyone not far left as as evil, and ruins any chance of leftists ever having power.

Perhaps in some areas moral arguments are essential - but mostly you can reduce political decisions to whether or not they increase quality of life where needed.

I agree with you to a certain extent but it's not the far left (or even the socialist left) that's the problem here, it's the liberal left and the woke, IMO. For these, everyone how disagrees is a racist or a fascist.
 
It is.
The failure to do so is the biggest failure of the left. It paints anyone not far left as as evil, and ruins any chance of leftists ever having power.

Perhaps in some areas moral arguments are essential - but mostly you can reduce political decisions to whether or not they increase quality of life where needed.
I absolutely could not agree more- you have put this far better than I have ever managed
 
.....pope is a perfect example of this. If you don't like Hamilton or you want to leave the EU, you're racist
 
I agree with you to a certain extent but it's not the far left (or even the socialist left) that's the problem here, it's the liberal left and the woke, IMO. For these, everyone how disagrees is a racist or a fascist.
This is a thing for sure. I would give Momentum's Facebook output as the prime example. It does both (far left activism and woke activism), and does them in such an agitprop-y way as to present every single issue as a zero sum game between good and evil.

It has contributed to our polarized society - which is one way the left thought they could gain power - by polarizing - but people don't want that.

Maybe its the hippy in me, but i feel like people in this country want to have togetherness and solidarity with each other, something that you could feel existing through the Blair years, and even the Cameron years until Corbyn and Brexit happened (even Brexit, misguided as it is, can be interpreted as an attempt to create togetherness for the people of the UK). If they can't get that, they will go right though, not left.

This is the lesson to be learned from Corbyn. If you call 70% of the country morally deficient (JC didn't do this, but his supporters certainly did) then they will tell you to go away. I'm not suggesting the far left just lies down and dies right now (i'm a socialist so i wouldn't), but a massive attitude adjustment away from righteous indignation is required.

Stop arguing with Starmer and try to push him leftwards is what needs to happen in Labour left. He's already claimed to be a socialist, so JC and his friends need to hold him to that - nothing more.
 
This is a thing for sure. I would give Momentum's Facebook output as the prime example. It does both (far left activism and woke activism), and does them in such an agitprop-y way as to present every single issue as a zero sum game between good and evil.

It has contributed to our polarized society - which is one way the left thought they could gain power - by polarizing - but people don't want that.

Maybe its the hippy in me, but i feel like people in this country want to have togetherness and solidarity with each other, something that you could feel existing through the Blair years, and even the Cameron years until Corbyn and Brexit happened (even Brexit, misguided as it is, can be interpreted as an attempt to create togetherness for the people of the UK). If they can't get that, they will go right though, not left.

This is the lesson to be learned from Corbyn. If you call 70% of the country morally deficient (JC didn't do this, but his supporters certainly did) then they will tell you to go away. I'm not suggesting the far left just lies down and dies right now (i'm a socialist so i wouldn't), but a massive attitude adjustment away from righteous indignation is required.

Stop arguing with Starmer and try to push him leftwards is what needs to happen in Labour left. He's already claimed to be a socialist, so JC and his friends need to hold him to that - nothing more.

There's absolutely no pushing Starmer left. I said that he wouldn't make the same mistake as Corbyn and would get rid of anyone he disagrees with (the left) and he has/is.

And at the end of the day, it makes no difference to me as I'm no longer a member of New New Labour
 
There's absolutely no pushing Starmer left. I said that he wouldn't make the same mistake as Corbyn and would get rid of anyone he disagrees with (the left) and he has/is.

And at the end of the day, it makes no difference to me as I'm no longer a member of New New Labour
I believe it can be done.
http://camdennewjournal.com/article...st-for-me-it-has-a-very-practical-application
WHAT’S Sir Keir Starmer’s definition of socialism?


It seems fair to ask, given his opponents, even some locally, have suggested that he has camouflaged himself as a man who is unwilling to spike the Corbyn years and start all over again as if they had never happened.


Last week, members of Momentum in his own Camden patch issued a statement saying, bluntly, they did not trust such sentiments from him. In a sit down interview with the New Journal this week, the Labour leadership contender said: “I am a socialist. For me, what I’m driven by in this is the very deep inequalities that we’ve now got across the country of every sort: Income, wealth, health, influence, it’s deeply ingrained. I believe that in order to change that you’ve got to do fundamental change, and shift power and wealth and I think that we need to do things more radically than we had envisaged in the past. For me, it’s a very practical application.”

This is what needs to be pushed by the Labour left. He claims to be a socialist, so is he going to follow through and tackle inequality?

There's going to be a long period of nothing before we see any policies from Starmer, that time would be best spent trying to forget about lawsuits and JC trying to reclaim what could bizarrely be referred to as his 'legacy', and instead focusing on the issue of Starmer's policies and how the left can influence them.

He can be held to account within Labour if he fails to try and reduce inequality. I see this statement as a campaign promise.
 
I’m a “tax dodging twat” we use the salary sacrifice scheme which avoids paying full tax on pension contributions.

That is not tax dodging; schemes like that are offered by the Government because they save them money in the long term.

Its like accusing someone with an ISA of Tax dodging

There is a massive difference between finding ways to minimise the tax you pay and hiding money off shore.

HMRC have only themselves to blame at times; if there was more clarity in the taxation system more people would avail of the tax efficiencies available, and the removal of the ambiguities would leave the filthy rich with nothing to hide behind.

None of that helps the low paid though.
 
Lets really put the cat amongst the pigeons

Brexit is all about our masters avoiding the EU tax avoidance rules

The biggest single driving factor behind all theses billionaires and the likes of Aaron Banks

Obviously there are others like selling off our NHS but the tax avoidance is where is starts

You got mugged off and have brought us all down

Your masters have won
 
Lets really put the cat amongst the pigeons

Brexit is all about our masters avoiding the EU tax avoidance rules

The biggest single driving factor behind all theses billionaires and the likes of Aaron Banks

Obviously there are others like selling off our NHS but the tax avoidance is where is starts

You got mugged off and have brought us all down

Your masters have won

This really is bollocks, duck. How does Brexit actually help them?
 
This really is bollocks, duck. How does Brexit actually help them?
Its much simpler than you would think.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...xit-pollster-a-world-of-gamblers-and-gambling

At least two advisers who were with Farage on the day of the Brexit vote were betting or trading on the collapse of the British pound—fortuitous positions, given how badly the rest of the world got it wrong. The surprise vote sparked the largest crash of any major currency in modern history. Their positions may have benefited from Farage’s actions, as premature concessions he made before the votes were tallied that night helped drive the pound to its highest mark all year, just hours before it plummeted. The false sentiment made bets against the British currency cheaper and more lucrative.

Its not to do with tax as much as it was just alot of gambling, but long term if the tories stay in power for a few terms i expect the UK to become a shameless tax haven (even more than it already is).

I don't think you were conned into voting Brexit, the vote is your own for your own reasons, I think we were ALL conned into thinking Brexit was about politics, rather than being about making some money.
 
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Its much simpler than you would think.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...xit-pollster-a-world-of-gamblers-and-gambling



Its not to do with tax as much as it was just alot of gambling, but long term if the tories stay in power for a few terms i expect the UK to become a shameless tax haven (even more than it already is).

I don't think you were conned into voting Brexit, the vote is your own for your own reasons, I think we were ALL conned into thinking Brexit was about politics, rather than being about making some money.

This isn't about tax though mate (as you say). I 'knew' leave had won when Farage (remember he's an ex-banker) announced they'd lost. This is a message I sent on his announcement.EU.PNG
 
The Anti-Tax Avoidance Directive

The EU are really going to go after Tax dodges in the next few years

But oh well we will go back further and allow those who are getting away with it to get away with it more

Fair play to them they payed for it with vast amounts of money and media manipulation over decades

They won

You won

Own it
 
The Anti-Tax Avoidance Directive

The EU are really going to go after Tax dodges in the next few years

But oh well we will go back further and allow those who are getting away with it to get away with it more

Fair play to them they payed for it with vast amounts of money and media manipulation over decades

They won

You won

Own it

The directive is a load of bollocks. At best it will just mean a bit of inconvenience for people/companies to move their 'head office' to a whitelisted country (of which there are many)

It's just another trick to make people like you think that they are on your side.
 
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