Brexit: In or Out?

Tudor

Tudor

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UKIP want the UK to leave Europe, the Tories, in the main are anti-Europe, Labour don't know what day it is never mind trying to work out whether Europe is good or bad.

There are numerous newspaper polls going around and each one has different results, depending on whether the sun shines or not.

With the referendum looming the question is...

Should the UK leave Europe?
 
I would like to know a little more about what would happen if we left. Would it mean higher prices? The US say they will not trade with us as a single nation but only if we are still in Europe?

We abandoned the Commonwealth to a perceived greener grass, but what got us more what the fact the France did not want us to join De Gaulle was dead against it and you know what happens when you tell the British they can't have something.

We got stuffed on the decimalisation, it cost is a fortune and double the price of everything because we had to do things in ten.

All they had to do was say that there was 10 pennies to a shilling, everything else would have fallen into place, no need to change currencies, all that was needed was the adjustment on prices to accommodate the 10d to the 1/- as we all know 20 1/- was a pound.

No they had to go and **ck us up good and proper.


however, before they **ck us over once again and double the price of everything ( who would we trade with?) because you can bet your shirt on whatever the French's problems the first thing they do is block the ports so not being in with them we would be an easy target

I do not know is the simple answer just yet which way I would vote if it came to a referendum
 
Europe. Bureaucratic, undemocratic, rigid and inefficient

Britain: Nepotistic, undemocratic, rigid and inefficient!

We owe some of the most important human rights and environmental regulations to Europe, but we also get lumbered with The Council of Europe making decisions on behalf of corporate interests without regard for the population itself.

I am decidedly undecided, although out of caution, I would probably at this moment decide to stay in. If only because I reckon our current government would turn us into an offshore, low wage sweatshop run by an elite of tax dodging bankers, with everyone else getting screwed

 
Call me Dave.

The other thing is (this is not just pointing someone out as they all do it I am sure) Nigel Farage claimed £2m in expenses, In what other job can you get so much money in allowances.

We don't ask them to do this job they volunteer and we vote for a candidate, where did we get the vote on what expenses they should get or what pay rise they should have.

In what other workforce votes on their own pay rise ffs.
 
I am out.

The European idea has turned into a massive smokescreen - the original plan of an improved trading area has become a behemoth, muddled by the idea of greater political union and expanding to include countries whose economies do not fit the criteria set down for being able to join. Greece was declined admission two years before hey eventually joined because the structural problems that existed (including the failure of many to pay their taxes).....low and behold two years after that failure the deep structural problems had gone away. That kind of ignoring of the facts has a direct line to the problems that came to a head later on.

Good friend of mine has devoted many, many hours to looking into all things European (he is retired and everyone has to have a hobby) and our discussions have convinced me sufficiently that the cost of staying in is not worth paying.

And as far as fifth's prediction goes -- "our current government would turn us into an offshore, low wage sweatshop run by an elite of tax dodging bankers, with everyone else getting screwed".

I believe they already have. I work with a lot of young people who barely get paid enough to survive. My son will be returning soon from working abroad - degree qualified and going to be working in his area of expertise (outdoor adventure pursuits), Mountain Leader certified, climbing qualified, experienced.....has a job at a Lake District outdoor centre & will only be paid the 'living wage'. I firmly believe that those in power have listened to their friends in Big Business who wanted a low paid workforce to keep their costs down and everything possible has been done to ensure that has been delivered. We seem to have reverted to the era of the Industrial Revolution with the view being "MORE PAY! Improved standard of living?!! You should be grateful you have a job. If you don't want it there are plenty that do"

Sorry

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Personally, I haven't decided yet - I need to listen to the debates and then i'll make my mind up prior to the referendum.

UKIP do have a point but the party, in general are made up of 'nutters' and so they'll have to do a good job in trying to convince me into voting, 'leave'.

In addition I think i'll see how Cameron gets on with the negotiations in Brussels.
 
The victor in this game has already been determined. On Feb. 19 in Brussels, David Cameron will prevail with all of his most important demands. The British prime minister, to be sure, will be standing alone at the summit, faced with opposition from his 27 EU counterparts. But in the end, following tough negotiations, he will get his way.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/eu-seeks-to-avoid-brexit-at-all-costs-a-1070389.html
 
Boris say OUT - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35626621?ns_source=twitter&ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_breaking&ns_linkname=news_central
 
I just want to know what would be the worse case scenario for leaving. There will be scaremongering, but all I can see at the moment is that any money we plough into the EEC would be now ploughed into our economy, no bail out for for those in the Euro zone who go bust, no handouts to immigrants who have not paid into the system.

However will trade suffer, will costs of imports go up, will the French as usual if they find something wrong which has nothing to do with the UK, block the Calais ports.

It really is a difficult decision and they has been no-one who can tell you the real facts, it is all guess work about what would happen.
 
EU referendum: Brexit could have 'big effect' on football

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35919247

Interesting reading.
 
Whether your main interest is equality, liberty, democracy, economic survival, sovereignty, debt reduction, increased export potential, encouraging entrepreneurs, fiscal independence, social fairness, overpopulation, community mutualism or calling leaders to account, it has become abundantly clear since 2008 that you will have to forfeit every one of these aspirations if your preference is to stay within the European Union.

The EU is run by an unelected élite which largely ignores the individual, ignores election results, ignores State sovereignty, ignores debt mountains, ignores currency realities, ignores poverty, ignores its responsibilities and above all, ignores every legal and constitutional obstacle in its way.

It is dominated by a Germany sailing at Full Ahead Both towards a confrontation with co-founder France. It puts the banking system before citizens. It puts corporate shareholder needs before workers’ rights. And it puts The Great Federal Project before any considerations of cost, practicality, Member State rights, social anthropology and freedoms of speech.

Those 151 reasons for Brexit in full :https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/100-reasons-for-eu-brexit/
 
My decision, when voting could be changed, but as it stands i've not heard anything to make me sway the other way. I shall continue to monitor developments.
 
I am voting out. The EU is and always has been undemocratic and corrupt. I believe they haven't published accounts for something like 17 years? It is slowly dying anyway with the immigration crisis likely to break it up sooner rather than later. Let's get out now and take control of ourselves. We will survive.

 
I avoid politics like the plague, and I've not had any leaflets of any sort pushed through my letter box (which is a communal one, as I live in a flat), either pro or anti.

My gut feeling at present is to leave, though. I was too young to vote in the previous referendum Britain had on membership in 1975.
 
fifthcolumnblue - 11/2/2016 20:31

Europe. Bureaucratic, undemocratic, rigid and inefficient

Britain: Nepotistic, undemocratic, rigid and inefficient!

We owe some of the most important human rights and environmental regulations to Europe, but we also get lumbered with The Council of Europe making decisions on behalf of corporate interests without regard for the population itself.

I am decidedly undecided, although out of caution, I would probably at this moment decide to stay in. If only because I reckon our current government would turn us into an offshore, low wage sweatshop run by an elite of tax dodging bankers, with everyone else getting screwed
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I think Fifth has sussed it.

The punters are undecided and nobody knows what to chose due to the lack of on formation being handed out.

The punters will maintain the status quo as sure as eggs is eggs.

Less chance of voting for Brexit than the 'rags' getting 19 tonight !
 
The lack of information, I think we lack the truth, one lot says this and the other say something completely different.

who to believe?
 
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