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Pearced

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I'm going to be honest I haven't read all of this cos I know it's going to be drivel anyway but saw my name and that I was being asked a question (along with others). Why would I feel "used, abused and dirty"? I'm going to try and explain to you once and once only. My reason to vote to leave the EU had absolutely NOTHING to do with Cummings, Boris, Farage, Davis, etc etc. It's sad to see people such as yourself, who claim to be left-wing, can't even see the left case for leaving the EU. You don't necessarily have to agree with it but you should at least be able to see it
Personally, I am not left wing, just amazed and sad at how people have allowed themselves to be suckered by the rich. You seem to be a good example of someone falling into the trap.
 

in_the_top_one

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I don't give a fig for the labour party other than - since we are by and large a two party system - I want them to be an electable alternative.

However, some things are true:
- They have had (/ still have) a massive problem with antisemitism in the party, whether that is a legitimate perception (because there are antisemites in the party), or not (big bad fake news msm), is immaterial. They won't be electable until they are holding themselves to a higher standard.
- The new chief knows this - everybody does other than the deniers - and is trying to sort it out.
- A member of the shadow cabinet posts something that is seen by many to be antisemitic. Blaming the American police's overly heavy-handed (to say the least) treatment of their black community on training given to them by Israelis, as if George Floyd would not have died if it weren't for America's ill-advised collaboration with Israel. To claim that it is true that they have shared training is to miss the point entirely.
- She was apparently asked to delete it and apologise but she did not.

She obviously had to be sacked. The last point alone was more than enough. You can't stick two fingers up to the leader's reasonable requests and expect to keep the privilege of a shadow cabinet position.

I struggle to conclude that he was waiting to sack her because of their differences. He was doing well and really didn't need this distraction from holding this awful government to account, nor reopening splits in his own party, nor getting back onto the topic of antisemitism.
 

in_the_top_one

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Now then. What about Mark Sedwill.?

You irk Cummings and you're out of the civil service, to be replaced immediately by a highly political appointment, US-style. Except we don't even have the weak checks and balances of the US system. And, hard as it might be to get your head around, Cummings isn't actually our president - notalotofpeopleknowthat.

He is an anti-democrat and needs to be removed from the reins of power as soon as possible.
 

JC21

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Personally, I am not left wing, just amazed and sad at how people have allowed themselves to be suckered by the rich. You seem to be a good example of someone falling into the trap.
I'd love to hear an explanation of how you think I've been suckered by the rich and please give me an example of a rich person I've been suckered by.
 

Pearced

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I'd love to hear an explanation of how you think I've been suckered by the rich and please give me an example of a rich person I've been suckered by.
Boris Johnson and Cummings (although working for their richer bosses). Get out of EU and lower safety standards, environmental standards and eventually wages. Sorry to keep you in suspenders but I have a life...
 

JC21

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Boris Johnson and Cummings (although working for their richer bosses). Get out of EU and lower safety standards, environmental standards and eventually wages.
Did you not read my comment? I don’t (and never have) give a fuck what Bozo and Cummings have ever said so how the fuck have they ‘suckered’ me?
 

paz1967

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Did you not read my comment? I don’t (and never have) give a fuck what Bozo and Cummings have ever said so how the fuck have they ‘suckered’ me?
so what personal motive was it that made you vote for them? To dismiss dozens of logical arguments ?
And how can you not give a fook about the very same people you are actually selecting to do that personal motive? You must have reason to believe they will impliment those things..
not an attack, more a 'must be some reasoning'
 

JC21

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Because you voted leave under their terms. Did you vote Labour or Tory last election.
It wasn't THEIR terms at all. There were no terms at the time of the referendum and there still isn't today. I voted to leave the EU because there are 'dozens of logical arguments' to say that the poor and working class will be better off with a socialist government outside of the EU. Obviously the media, the Blairites, the Jewish lobby and Corbyn himself put paid to the second one.

Has it ever occurred to you that most of the rich, banks and big business support the EU and it could actually be you remainers that have been suckered by the rich into supporting THEIR business playground and their THEIR plans for a world government?

And to answer your question, I voted Labour.
 
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Pearced

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It wasn't THEIR terms at all. There were no terms at the time of the referendum and there still isn't today. I voted to leave the EU because there are 'dozens of logical arguments' to say that the poor and working class will be better off with a socialist government outside of the EU. Obviously the media, the Blairites, the Jewish lobby and Corbyn himself put paid to the second one.

Has it ever occurred to you that most of the rich, banks and big business support the EU and it could actually be you remainers that have been suckered by the rich into supporting THEIR business playground and their THEIR plans for a world government?

And to answer your question, I voted Labour.
The Daily Mails, Telegraphs, Express's etc and, sadly, now but to a slightly lesser extent the TV companies are owned by the ones who Boris answers to (actually, he answers to Cummings who answers to them). These are the ones who have suckered the people in my opinion. Still, it could be worse. UK could be USA. Not yet...
 
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