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Bjorn Engels thread

Pangloss

Vital Reserves Team
He was putting in average at best displays from October on wards, was utterly horrific in the Fulham defeat as well.

He's just not very good IMO, started brilliantly, but as the sample size of performances increases you get a better sense for what a player is about and Engels isn't about much.
 

"Merd"

Vital 1st Team Regular
Think we are in danger of judging another player too early in his Villa career. If they aren't instantly God or better some of us dismiss them as useless.

Still loads of potential in this team and none of them are the finished article. Stay up or go down, we are in a much better place than for any time in the last 10 years. Silly mistakes have cost us this year.
 

CDX_EIRE

Vital Football Hero
Think we are in danger of judging another player too early in his Villa career. If they aren't instantly God or better some of us dismiss them as useless.

Still loads of potential in this team and none of them are the finished article. Stay up or go down, we are in a much better place than for any time in the last 10 years. Silly mistakes have cost us this year.
The players didn't come into a stable environment so I agree it's still too early to judge some of them. I think its very hard to judge this group and even the ones we didn't sign over the summer. Hourihane might actually be useful in Sheffield Uniteds team or maybe Guilbert or Targett might look a bit better in a more solid defensive unit.

There are more levels to some of these players.
 

Pangloss

Vital Reserves Team
Think we are in danger of judging another player too early in his Villa career. If they aren't instantly God or better some of us dismiss them as useless.

Still loads of potential in this team and none of them are the finished article. Stay up or go down, we are in a much better place than for any time in the last 10 years. Silly mistakes have cost us this year.
There's a big enough sample size of games to start forming opinion. Whilst you're right it's too soon to write him off (which I have been guilty of here) when the sample size grows and you observe a consistent decline in level it's pretty concerning.
 

"Merd"

Vital 1st Team Regular
There's a big enough sample size of games to start forming opinion. Whilst you're right it's too soon to write him off (which I have been guilty of here) when the sample size grows and you observe a consistent decline in level it's pretty concerning.
How many bad games has he had? Only played 20 or so, he's not McGrath, but he had a track record of brilliance before he came to us. Engels is much younger and could still become a great player. No guarantees of course.
 
There's a big enough sample size of games to start forming opinion. Whilst you're right it's too soon to write him off (which I have been guilty of here) when the sample size grows and you observe a consistent decline in level it's pretty concerning.
But the "decline" is mainly when he hasn't been playing. When he was a regular playing alongside Mings then he was mainly OK, to the point where some were wondering if he was better than Mings.