We could always mention fisHcakes....just to pan it out a little
Would guess our PM will be grilling her fishcakes, at the same time she is grilling her cabinet ! (And worse!)
We could always mention fisHcakes....just to pan it out a little
After you then, old chap.We could always mention fisHcakes....just to pan it out a little
Happy BRINO Day everyone!
In all seriousness, I've enjoyed most of this discussion and learnt a lot. Some things from other posters on both sides and I've also had to look quite a few things up. I'm much more knowledgeable than at the start. Thanks for your contributions.
Enjoyed it too. Think there may still be another hundred pages in this though!
Happy BRINO Day everyone!
In all seriousness, I've enjoyed most of this discussion and learnt a lot. Some things from other posters on both sides and I've also had to look quite a few things up. I'm much more knowledgeable than at the start. Thanks for your contributions.
If it's being reported that we can be held in a customs union forever...without being able to do our own trade deals and with having to follow EU rules...and without an obligation on the EU to negotiate this is not Brexit and the only thing you can surmise is that May's previous speeches were misleading at best.
I cant see how any MP can vote for this deal if the above is true.
If I were the EU Id keep saying we cant find a trade deal that works. What is not clear is whether we have to pay money to be in the customs union
Toms, I think we will be in the CU whilst in the transition period, and I do think that will be an open ended period. I do think that the UK can end this unilaterally if needed. We all know what that means for the Irish Border.
I do think we will be able to negotiate our own deals though. If that’s the case, then it’s a good negotiating tool to go back to the EU with.
I don’t expect much detail on how the future relationship with Brussels will be in today’s speech, however, I’m getting the impression that rather than a completely new deal with the EU, in future it will be a realignment of the UK’s current relationship with the remaining states over time.
That makes sense as it removes many of the technical problems associated with a sudden stop, and allows the whole process to mature based on experiences we face
I think ultimately that would make the transition process quicker.
It was interesting last night that there were very few leaks from those that have seen the documents, and very little sign of some of the ‘leaver’ ministers (Fox, Gove etc) throwing thier toys out of the pram.
Maybe it is a workable document?
I guess we find out soon.
It will probably allow us to negotiate deals but not have them come into effect until after the transition.
However, how easy will those deals external to the eu be to complete if the UK's future relationship with the eu is still up in the air / subject to change?
Do you honestly believe there will be any negotiation with the likes of USA or China on Trade?
Deals will be imposed by Trump and Xi and there will be fuck all the Country can do about it, regardless of who is in charge
That's ludicrous. Countries only sign a deal if they are getting a benefit from it. Outside the EU there are 200 countries to choose from.
Thing is Mao, do you really think we will ever get to that point?
All that is happening now is the agreement to ‘leave’ the EU has been drafted that will change our current position as little as possible after Brexit day, now Mrs May has to sell it to Westminster.
Once we do ‘leave’ then we have to start negotiating new deals with everyone, which will take years.
In the meantime, things change. In the case of the US, Trump has 6 years left at most, I doubt very much we would get a deal sorted in that time. So if a deal with the US was ever agreed it is likely to be with a totally different administration to the one currently in the White House. Who knows how that will work out?
Barnier, Juncker and Merkel will also all have gone. The likelihood is that the Australian PM will be gone by the year end in fact they could have had two by then.
In the meantime we maintain some sort of umbrella of the EU whilst we find out that doing trade deals with other countries that will lead to an improvement in the UK’s position are nearly impossible to achieve.
Ultimately, when we do get a deal with the EU it will look pretty much as things do now, and every other Trade deal negotiations will be irrelevant.
This is definitely BRINO!!