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Yup, commented on the night although this is off topic for here. He said at one point he spent 120 million in one season unless I heard him wrong. He talked about a truck driving around his lawn and not being able to go home and put the lights on because his security guards said fans were at the bottom of the street waiting for him......and a load of other shit.

You ever need proof of an unbalanced media interview, but in this case Ellis knew what he was doing, and Nick Owen and their editorial team at the taxpayer funded BBC should've been ethical.
 
mike_field - 10/1/2014 02:03

Not seen the programme but certainly seen some news it's created.

What scares me is film makes as they are now called, can still so openly distort a reality to suit their ends in the name of getting the programme sold, and also that human beings in the 24 hour news world we live in can be dumb enough to think you can enter into a programme like this and come out accurately and without looking like a bunch of twats?

All these years on has nobody realised TV and the media will spend 1 week building you up and then the next decade trying to tear you down in the most imaginable ways possible?
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I avoid such hatchet pieces, moulding the opinion of the masses, next thing we know a few scroungers will be responsible for the downfall of this great country, while the real thieving leaches are never in the news




 
mike_field - 10/1/2014 02:26

Nick Owen and their editorial team at the taxpayer funded BBC should've been ethical.
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Is that a new policy? When did that start? Novel idea, wonder if it'll catch on?



 
My spellings still crap lol

Must learn to not watch the TV.

Unlike other thread Juan, completely 100% agree. Pensions are 52% of the welfare budget apparently? More families get tax credits (I'm one) than JSA and the others, but the focus is on scroungers who don't work, and middle class families who can't survive on 40K a year and need a foodback.

Media is a wonderful thing isn't it!

Let's not mention HMRC employees taking tax advice themselves whilst striking deals with big companies, whereas me and you would be penalised for fucking up over a quid and end up paying a penalty of £100 for our stupidity. But they can deal out millions, as long as they pay something.

New BBC policy, nah never, don't be daft!

The only time the BBC will be sensible is when they have to compete. Can't offer commerical wages but give loads over 100K a year, can't compete on entertainment and Ross (was) and Norton is on how many millions a year?

Bunch of fucking wankers...sorry wucking fankers.

And then we get Patton lying about Saville, and pay offs and we are meant to trust the BBC Trust!
 
I think Mike you are absolving responsibility for those people taking part in the documentary. They knew they were being filmed and we're happy to be filmed. Nobody forced them to do anything they didn't want to so by that measure the programme is not sensationalist. From what I can see the left are upset because this programme is not representative of the majority of benefits claimants but it never promised it would be. It is the story of one Street. The people are real, their circumstances are real, and so the programme illustrates what is happening to a percentage of benefits claimants. I think those who are so upset by this programme are doing a disservice to these people.
 
I am sorry but people like this - and they are a true representation - just really get to me. I was raised in a dirt poor family and my dad never claimed a single penny in benefits - he just went out to work. That was an ethic that he instilled in me and I have now worked for over 40 years and never claimed a penny. I have paid in plenty though because I got off my arse and got an education and got a decent job.

The cap on benefits is £500 per week and loads of these parasites moan that they cannot manage on that much. Well to have take home pay - for that is what the £500 is - of that amount would mean having a job that pays around £35000 a year and that is way above the average earnings in the UK, which is £27000 according to ONS.

The problem with these people is that they breed kids and because they are shit role models, those kids think that it is normal to sit around all day watching Jeremy Kyle and scrounging on the state and we end up with another generation of scroungers. My view is that if these people do not get a job, then their benefits should be slashed to subsistence levels and make them really find out what suffering is about.

There are plenty of opportunities these days and there are also plenty of jobs - OK not all of them at £35k - but if you want benefits then you earn them by working. We are all moaning about the Bulgarians and Romanians coming to the UK to work. Well they will be doing the jobs that our scroungers won't do because they can get more on the dole.

My dad would turn in his grave if her was to watch programmes of this nature. This programme it is not fiction - it is the reality of the parasites that make up Benefits Britain
 
So C & B you damn them all the same?. That is a sweeping generalization, which is inaccurate.

It curled my nose up watching this, however the majority of people who claim some of benefit (be it tax credit, pensions, disability, jobseekers and so on) are not like this.

You only see the negative in the news because it sells. That's like saying all football fans are hooligans. You and I know that isn't true. The same applies to this as it does to much else
 
Its very easy to be critical when you are working and have a reasonably comfortable life. There are some people who are unemployable, why, because no one will give them a job. The minimum wage is £6.31 ph, for a 40 hour week that equates to £252. Now who will give £252 a week to employ the individual who stole those magazines and sold them off as the Big Issue. He cant read or write. Most unskilled jobs these days are working in warehouses and you need a certain level of education to be able to work in them. If a company is going to invest over £300 a week on someone (£252 + all the add ons) they will want a return on their money. I have heard all sorts of suggestions on what should be done to these people, but sometimes its not their fault. So what are we going to do with them, throw them out on to the streets and let them starve to death, is that what some people want. Just stop and think we give billions of pounds away in overseas aid and no one bats an eylid yet we condemn the less fortunate in our country and say we should stop giving aid to them. I worked hard all my life and never once claimed benefits but that does not give me the right to judge people less fortunate than me.
 
He should be utilised by he government/local council Astonion, if just to get him into a decent routine.

By turning up for work (picking up litter, painting fences, tidying graveyards etc...) he would also be given access to free courses, gain some skills, learn about committment and discipline and rewards, and then he could go out and get a job earning £252 a week or more. He could volunteer for local groups, charity shops etc....

But he wont because he's a bellend, and the system is too easy for him not to have to do this.
 
Socialists are whining because the end result of their ideology has been exposed. They want unemployment fully nationalised as well as everything else.

This program isn't mocking these people it is just exposing them for what they are. Still, It gives retards like Owen Jones something to dribble over i suppose.
 
more like sesame street... It has a big bird, a bloke living out of a bin and people trying to learn the alphabet.
 
What I noticed is that there dosnt seem to be a way out for most of these people, they seem to stuck in this lifestyle and it kinda gets passed down through the generations.

I know reading that you think "yes there is a way out" but its easy for us...But for most of them they just cant seem to grasp it..The problem is that they offer society nothing and it costs a fortune to keep them in their current lifestyle. Not just the benefits but the policing and the shops having to increase prices to cover insurance costs for theft etc.

I think they need to open up some form of school where they have to attend and show good behaviour to receive any benefits. If they misbehave then benefits should be cut. If they are involved in criminal activity(drugs, shoplifting) again cuts in benefits. We need to get tougher but also offer help/education.
 
Well some of them Bikini a fair few do come to beg,steal or borrow but them 14 lads were shit on probably by a fellow countryman.
 
Green Tea - 15/1/2014 12:42

What I noticed is that there dosnt seem to be a way out for most of these people, they seem to stuck in this lifestyle and it kinda gets passed down through the generations.
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It's not their lifestyle, it's their attitude. There's always kids at school who don't bother to turn up, don't do any work and you know aren't going to amount to anything in life. They then get either no, or crap, qualifications. When they're older they then go on to benefits and then bitch about not being able to get a job as if it's someone else's fault.

Then when they have kids do you think they encourage them to work hard in school to not repeat their own mistakes? No, they don't give a shit and the cycle is repeated.

I occasionally get shit of people I went to school with about going to University. Unsurprisingly the same people who then complain that they can't get a job... I can't believe people have that attitude.
 
I don't buy this bollocks that these people are spouting. Just because your brought up in a shitty area means nothing. Me and my siblings were all brought up in Albert Road in Aston, just off six ways island. My parents hadn't got money, my dad used to work all hours under the sun in whatever job was possible while my mom raised us 4 kids. We all went to school in Aston and had some tough times. And while all this happened, my dad had 4 spinal operations over a 10 year period. Our family wasn't well off, we didn't expect big, lavish gifts on Christmas or birthdays because we knew what situation we was in. There was shootings, muggings and other crime around when we lived there. Life wasn't a bed of roses but look how we all turned out. My eldest brother is an accountant for West Midlands Police and holds a 2:1 English degree. My sister is a Teacher of Religious Education at a secondary school in Birmingham and holds a Religious a Education 2:1 degree and my other brother went to University of Birmingham and got a 1st in Geography, went on to do his masters and is now an Urban Regional town planner in the city. And I've been to University too and become a qualified registered nurse.

I don't buy this crap about there is no opportunity for people. If you want it bad, you will do it. Whatever the circumstances. If you want a job, you will find one eventually.

The problem with these people is they are bone idle. They don't want to do anything. They try to make their crime sound okay by saying it's the only way to live, which is rubbish.

I think the programme is excellent, people saying it's trying to make people look something they aren't. Hardly, these people have been filmed. No one makes big dee or whatevr her name is wear no bra or swear until the cows come home or that guy showing you how to rob. Society hasn't failed these people, they have failed themselves. You don't get anywhere in life without a bit of help from yourself.

Life is what you make of it. Go out there and make a difference.
 
I can't watch that show. It has my blood boiling.

Some people don't want low paid jobs. They see it as beneath them and then calculate that they're better of on benefits. That to me is just wrong. Benefits are for when you cannot find work not when you cannot find the work you want.

On the other side of the coin there are people who genuinely cannot find work or have health problems that prevent them from sustaining work who are now pilloried and stigmatised as a result of Condem 'scapegoat' politics.

Immigrants often come to work hard owing to the currency exchange rate. (If you've ever shopped in Poland you'll find yourself very well off indeed.) If those unskilled, low paid service sector jobs were all taken there wouldn't be any labour for them to find. Yet, everyday I am served by someone from Eastern Europe. Good luck to them I say. It cannot be easy to leave your home, your loved ones to come to a different country, yet they do it to make a difference back home. That for me shows integrity and graft.

The trouble is what do you do? We have a social contract for a reason:to make sure people are fed, sheltered and have access to healthcare. Do you remove that and put families and children at risk?
 
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