Bad drugs batch

kefkat

kefkat

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:83: Now I thought all illegal drugs were bad. This is not well worded at all, or am I missing a point!
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Arrests Over Deaths Linked To Bad Drugs Batch

Three are detained on suspicion of supplying drugs as police pledge anyone who hands in suspicious pills will not be prosecuted.

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Three men have been arrested by police investigating a series of suspected drugs-related deaths in Suffolk.

They were held after the recent deaths of two young men in Ipswich on Christmas Eve and New Year's Day, which are thought to be related to a "dangerous batch" of ecstasy tablets.

The death of a third man in Rendlesham is also under investigation, and it emerged on Friday that the death of a fourth man in Telford, Shropshire, was also being linked to the drugs.

The three arrested men - aged 19, 20 and 26 - are all from Ipswich and were detained on Friday on suspicion of being concerned in the supply of controlled drugs.

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Cont: http://news.sky.com/story/1401254/arrests-over-deaths-linked-to-bad-drugs-batch
 
Awful. Sadly this is what happens with prohibition, things get swept under the carpet and then scuzzy people supply the demand instead and with scuzzy people, you don't know what they are putting in the drugs.
 
This is true. E's were originally made in science labs to help people lose weight. Pure mdma is actually a safe ish drug. Not condoning it in any way by the way..... but people take advantage and to make more money mix pills and dilute mdma with any crap they can get their hands on... and thats where the deaths happen. Obviously people can still die on pure mdma due to being allergic or heart failure etc but the chances are alot slimmer than having a pill mixed with heroine, rat poison and ant powder. Scutty people trying to make extra dollar. Tossers.
 
Ah thanks for the info Col. I had no idea of any of that. Considering I work in recovery, the drug side, I have little knowledge of what goes on with it, in this sense. I know about the stuff but not this type of info. Hence why my side is alcohol as I know about that
 
It is one of those debates no one will ever hold properly.

People will take drugs. You can either educate those who want to (most don't, that won't change surely?) and make sure they get the right stuff or you can push it onto the black (no racism intended) market and get deaths AND THEN the shock headlines about drugs killing.

It is however a minefield of a debate.

Russell Brand actually did a decent documentary recently, BBC3 (I think) looking at the pitfalls of the way the war on drugs (which hasn't worked) operates.
 
Up to the point of these awful new 'legal highs' (very very dangerous, new stuff coming out all the time, the law can't keep up with them, they are 'legal' until the authorities catch up) the only drug manufactured purely for a high or a different dimension was LSD

All the others were manufactured for health reasons and then the side effects became the focus.

It's a fascinating subject but one that seldom gets discussed properly and openly.

And of course, drugs do lead to much misery for some takers, not hiding away from that side of it either.

The ones that fascinate me are the heavy smokers and drinkers who say that drugs are disgrace etc. There is a certain irony they are missing I think.
 
I totally agree JF re smokers and drinkers. Drinkers especially. Drinking actually costs this country more and causes a thousand times plus more deaths, than drugs on the last stats I seen. Drink is legal and sociably acceptable. Drugs aren't. Yet there are both mind altering substances in the sense of highs.

As for smoking yes I also agree, though it doesn't give you the high drink and drugs do, I know where you are coming from.

Might sound hypocritical, as an ex user of both drink and cigs however my mind sight has changed over the years
 
The report i have just read said that the tablets were not made from mdma but a substitute which takes longer to kick in.... so if for example you have taken drugs before you may have 1-3 of these pills and after an hour they have not had an effect then silly people who may be drunk think.... lets have another 1-3.... then if the strength of the substitute is actually high then before they know it they have 2 or 3 times the amount running round there bodies as they are used to. Couple that with the substitute drug not being mdma so its a new drug to them.... plus any other crappy additives that have been put in and its a recipe for disaster. I saw a girl collapse and die from a dodgy pill when i used to go clubbing. Not a nice sight at all. The pills could have a never ending amount of ingredients in them so the chances of having an allergic reaction to at least one of the can get very high with pills. Thats why alot of people get pure mdma as opposed to the pills... its more expensive obviously.... channel 4 i think did a programme where a range if people took mdma for an experiment... it included 60 year olds would you believe. But risky hey. The big thing that worries me also is legal highs that can be bought over the internet.... bloody plant fertiliser people are putting up their noses. What the hell????? Crazy. I know there is a little drug education in schools but there needs to be more than just one hour a term. Makes me mad and i work in a school. Pupils need to be educated about the real dangers. .... and i mean shock education... esp year 10/11.... they should see the real side of drugs... not just a crappy video and a police man slapping their wrists for 10 minutes.
 
Saw a guy battered very badly (and quite rightly) when his MATES found out the shit he'd been mixing their drugs (he was supplying) with.

As said, it was his mates that gave him the kicking, but then he was meant to be their mate and he'd mixed the stuff with all kinds of crap and then thought it funny. He didn't find the beating quite so hilarious!


And totally agree about education at school, including the very worst pictures from smoking AND the right information re drink because youngsters are ignorant of what they can and can't drink unless told. What is better, to assume they won't drink silly amounts or to tell them what will kill them if they do attempt to drink it?
 
Shock tactics don't work. We seen all the smoking videos at school & they made no difference what so ever. Maybe the shock tactics will work for the under 10's but once they reach teenager stage they will see straight through the agenda behind the tactic. And the problem with showing the under 10's videos of the worst sufferers - some of them could get nightmares.

Proper adult discussion with teenagers is the best policy. Being honest as Col was in his post - in that MDMA is not really that dangerous unless cut with dangerous chemicals is what we should talk about, rather than using childish "we are going scare you".

Asking the class, how can we control drug use, make it safer and incorporate a healthy adult discussion works far better. Talk about the scientific research of the drugs themselves and the facts, the history of the drug, what is was used for & how it became recreational.
 
Shock tactics don't work... full stop?

The right information, as I said, and grown up debate. Part of that has to be to show people what whatever they are doing will do to them. It won't work for all, no, but of course it will work for some.
 
As I facilitate The P.I (Public Information) in York for A.A. With that we go into schools carrying the message of what A.A is, what we do etc. carrying our message of experience. The youngsters love us. It is the only time even with the more difficult young people the teacher see their young people with full attention for a whole lesson.

We don't go in to lecture. We go in with a message and to give them information. It works. We also carry the message of our non affiliated Al-Anon for the families of those who have an alcoholic/had whether drinking or not/dead or not as it is a family illness. It affects all who have contact with an alcoholic.

It works, because the best experience is from those who have been there. So many don't know what alcoholism is. I also take in usually someone who has been dual addicted as alot put down the drugs as people get its illegal and then pick up drink as it is sociable acceptable and legal.

Information is what people need. It won't stop anyone of them besoming an addict/alcoholic, however it will give them information on what to do.

Our job is to educate, give information and sow the seed. We will never know how far the ripple affect goes however we know we have made an impact.

It still chokes me up going into the school my eldest 3 went too. It is a privilege to beable to do what we do.
 
What also comes from it is often child protection issues are raised where the teachers had no idea there was any. You get to know by watching the children. They don't always have to say anything for us to realise something is wrong.

It is very powerful and rewarding what we do.
 
I agree Kat & like Col mentioned above that some of legal highs take a while to kick in, so the user takes more. If the info in school was there from the start the user would be aware of such things. It should be about educating about the drug itself, the history, how it works, how it is made, etc. This so if the person does take it, at least he knows all about it.

We tend to care more about lecturing kids "don't do this because....", rather than actually having a lesson learning about the drug itself. Teach the kids about the drug with no agenda attached.
 
I assume we are all in agreement that sex education should follow the same methods. There is no point letting kids find out stuff for themselves. Educate them, fully and openly, up front, and remove the thrill of "doing something wrong".
 
nah, let the horny little sods **** like rabbits I say!

But this is about drugs...!

 
I suppose the simple answer is don't do it if you don't know where the shit is coming from.

 
kefkat - 3/1/2015 12:31

I totally agree JF re smokers and drinkers. Drinkers especially. Drinking actually costs this country more and causes a thousand times plus more deaths, than drugs on the last stats I seen. Drink is legal and sociably acceptable. Drugs aren't. Yet there are both mind altering substances in the sense of highs.

As for smoking yes I also agree, though it doesn't give you the high drink and drugs do, I know where you are coming from.

Might sound hypocritical, as an ex user of both drink and cigs however my mind sight has changed over the years
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Yep, drugs policies aren't exactly helped by the fact that most young people who are clued up about drugs will probably know that alcohol and tobacco are 2 of the worst, undermining the government's clueless looking and hypocritical stance from the get go.



 

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Green tea..... i said year 10 and 11... which is 14/15/16 year olds. And yes shock tactics ALONG with the adult conversations would cover a vast majority of the year group in my opinion. You are always going to get the rebels who have older bros and sisters who use, or in fact parents and see this as a rights of passage. They are a tough nut to crack.
 
Green Tea - 3/1/2015 14:07

I agree Kat & like Col mentioned above that some of legal highs take a while to kick in, so the user takes more. If the info in school was there from the start the user would be aware of such things. It should be about educating about the drug itself, the history, how it works, how it is made, etc. This so if the person does take it, at least he knows all about it.

We tend to care more about lecturing kids "don't do this because....", rather than actually having a lesson learning about the drug itself. Teach the kids about the drug with no agenda attached.
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Which is why we go into schools. We speak on experience, no lectures, just information. That information is what is important as somewhere down the line every single child is going to know someone who has an addiction issue, if they don't have it themselves. It's a fact of life
 
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