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Mc, since Fat Sam was sacked and Ashley did it 'his way' then every manager has been in the same boat. The scouting of foreign players (by Carr ) and on the stepping stone promise of a bigger club and we won't stand in your way was an incentive to get the likes of Cabaye, Sissoko and others has only helped Ashley to squeeze more out of his cash cow.
I get that Mac but it wasnt obvious at the time
I was arguing with people on here claiming that Ashley was destroying the club while I was enjoying watching us qualify for Europe
Imagine that - arguing with our own fans saying that I shouldn't be going to St James' Park while watching us finish 5th
Obviously the season after when he only bought Anita told the true story but as much as I despise Ashly now no one will ever spoil that season for me
I've no idea what point you are trying to make mate
You dont seem to want to give anyone credit for a 5th place finish or the fact we reached the quarter finals the following season in the European cup yet you want to hammer Bruce regardless of the state of our squad for struggling this season
Let me ask you this - you own a car that needs a new engine, rather than buying a new engine that you can guarantee will give you years of consistent service you decide to go to the scrap yard and buy one that you know has already been unreliable with loads of problems
It would be a bit fucking silly to constantly blame the engine for the car not starting wouldn't it?
You dont seem to want to give anyone credit for a 5th place finish or the fact we reached the quarter finals the following season in the European cup yet you want to hammer Bruce regardless of the state of our squad for struggling this season
Let me ask you this - you own a car that needs a new engine, rather than buying a new engine that you can guarantee will give you years of consistent service you decide to go to the scrap yard and buy one that you know has already been unreliable with loads of problems
It would be a bit fucking silly to constantly blame the engine for the car not starting wouldn't it?
Well lets face it early on under Pardew we did well but Pardew started like that with most of the clubs he managed and in most cases then went downhill fast. This current squad is under performing under a Manager who has achieved nothing but even then its a poor squad. Relying on over the hill, injury hit players like Carroll and Gayle, a noncreative midfield and weak fullbacks. Its noticeable how other teams have more pace than us, we are slow and ponderous. St Maxim may well make a difference but how long will he last before injury occurs.
Next up is Leeds and that is our best chance of points, as they have conceded lots of goals whilst scoring lots. Dont expect to get anything at Everton. as to be honest I dont in most games.
There is no excitement in our games and as we know no real hope under Ashley. Whoever made the Joelinton decision must have had a senior moment, a lot of money for a sunday park player who cannot score. Ashley has no interest in the football side. Look how many players come up through our U18 nd U23 ranks, almost non existant. A poorly run club.
Next up is Leeds and that is our best chance of points, as they have conceded lots of goals whilst scoring lots. Dont expect to get anything at Everton. as to be honest I dont in most games.
There is no excitement in our games and as we know no real hope under Ashley. Whoever made the Joelinton decision must have had a senior moment, a lot of money for a sunday park player who cannot score. Ashley has no interest in the football side. Look how many players come up through our U18 nd U23 ranks, almost non existant. A poorly run club.
My point is that you're creaming yourself over the 5th place finish when it was more to do with luck than anything.
It wasn't down to Pardews tactical masterclass, injuries etc forced him into playing 4-3-3 which actually worked well for the attacking players. Back when they had players that could actually attack. The defence was still suspect and they rode their luck at times.
It wasn't Mike Ashley's desire to buy decent players and have a good go. A few happened to have a good season that year but faded badly the season after, they were heading down without the French revolution in the January sales.
Bruce deserves to be hammered, he was told not to take the job in the first place but he didn't listen. WTF are they doing in training? Having plenty days off by the looks of things, Shelvey is away playing golf most of the time. They don't look even remotely fit, even Almiron has lost some pace. The rest are down to a snails pace getting pretty much bypassed rather quickly. Their reaction times aren't quick enough, can't pass for shit and shooting is pathetic. All that is on Bruce, yes he's got a shit squad but that doesn't mean they can't be fit or concentrate on basic ball work. All perishable skills that need constant attention to keep up to speed, they aren't doing it. Putting square pegs in round holes, no clue of his best 11 or formation, over reliance on 1 or 2 players to conjure up something out of nothing.
As for Ashley well theres nothing I can say that hasn't been said a million times before.
I'd buy a new car!
It wasn't down to Pardews tactical masterclass, injuries etc forced him into playing 4-3-3 which actually worked well for the attacking players. Back when they had players that could actually attack. The defence was still suspect and they rode their luck at times.
It wasn't Mike Ashley's desire to buy decent players and have a good go. A few happened to have a good season that year but faded badly the season after, they were heading down without the French revolution in the January sales.
Bruce deserves to be hammered, he was told not to take the job in the first place but he didn't listen. WTF are they doing in training? Having plenty days off by the looks of things, Shelvey is away playing golf most of the time. They don't look even remotely fit, even Almiron has lost some pace. The rest are down to a snails pace getting pretty much bypassed rather quickly. Their reaction times aren't quick enough, can't pass for shit and shooting is pathetic. All that is on Bruce, yes he's got a shit squad but that doesn't mean they can't be fit or concentrate on basic ball work. All perishable skills that need constant attention to keep up to speed, they aren't doing it. Putting square pegs in round holes, no clue of his best 11 or formation, over reliance on 1 or 2 players to conjure up something out of nothing.
As for Ashley well theres nothing I can say that hasn't been said a million times before.
I'd buy a new car!
I agree and believe collectively we should accept responsibility for our clubs plight.
Instead the great majority attack Ashley's pantomime figures, blaming brooocy, pardcunt et al .
Waiting for Ashley to employ a 'good' manager, which essentially is what the aforementioned majority seem to be doing, is insane.
Instead the great majority attack Ashley's pantomime figures, blaming brooocy, pardcunt et al .
Waiting for Ashley to employ a 'good' manager, which essentially is what the aforementioned majority seem to be doing, is insane.
We started that season 11 games unbeaten so he wasnt forced into playing any system
You say that back then we had players who could attack - exactly, we now dont (or not many of them)
I'll throw some names in from that squad for you to compare to today's.....Ba, Cisse, Tiote, Colloccini, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Santon, Simpson, Gutiérrez......
Everyone of them in their day would improve this current squad
This is purely down to Ashley's continued disinterest and to blame anyone other than him is excusing him of this shambles regardless of whether it's all been said before or not
You say that back then we had players who could attack - exactly, we now dont (or not many of them)
I'll throw some names in from that squad for you to compare to today's.....Ba, Cisse, Tiote, Colloccini, Cabaye, Ben Arfa, Santon, Simpson, Gutiérrez......
Everyone of them in their day would improve this current squad
This is purely down to Ashley's continued disinterest and to blame anyone other than him is excusing him of this shambles regardless of whether it's all been said before or not
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There's still no comparison between Rafa and Broocey. Plus that's discounting trophies as well.
Rafa's time here was blighted by politics in that he wanted what was best for the football club with an obvious long term plan in place. Under a proper ownership then I don't doubt the style of play would have been better although we did play some good stuff at times.
Rafa's foundation building was all done on a net spend of fuck all.
Broocey on the other hand has abused our ears and eyesight with utter shite whilst dismantling the foundations of what there was some 18 months or so ago. All this for a nigh on £70m net spend.
Wonder where we'd be now if Rafa was allowed a spend of that amount because we wouldn't be down the bottom.
Rafa's time here was blighted by politics in that he wanted what was best for the football club with an obvious long term plan in place. Under a proper ownership then I don't doubt the style of play would have been better although we did play some good stuff at times.
Rafa's foundation building was all done on a net spend of fuck all.
Broocey on the other hand has abused our ears and eyesight with utter shite whilst dismantling the foundations of what there was some 18 months or so ago. All this for a nigh on £70m net spend.
Wonder where we'd be now if Rafa was allowed a spend of that amount because we wouldn't be down the bottom.
I was under the impression that Ashley's only requisite was premiership survival.
His interest in the club is blatantly obvious, make bucket loads of cash while promoting his real interest, SD.
If we accept that to be true, Bruce is not failing.
Unless of course you actually believe Ashley gives a toss about dietary needs of the players or developing talent, in which case all his managers are doomed to fail.
His interest in the club is blatantly obvious, make bucket loads of cash while promoting his real interest, SD.
If we accept that to be true, Bruce is not failing.
Unless of course you actually believe Ashley gives a toss about dietary needs of the players or developing talent, in which case all his managers are doomed to fail.
Ashley is the one ultimately responsible for the state of the club, he's the one that makes the decisions and the buck stops with him.
Does he deserve credit for the 5th place finish? Nope, simply because it was never intentional. Ashliar's remit then is the same now, to stay in the Premier League, they just had better players then and a lot of luck. They still went out of both cups in the 4th round !
Ashley is the one that should be getting it but people aren't doing it, it's been said for years but nothing is ever organised.
Doesnt mean that Bruce is blameless as Bruce is the one that organises training, formations *coughs team selection ahem. Would he have done better with better players, no I don't believe he would've. Don't forget that he was in charge of Aston Villa who was supposed to walk the championship but never did, not even close.
If he hasn't got the right players then it's HIS responsibility to bang on Ashley's door and demand better players. If not then resign! He was 11th choice because no fucker else wanted it, he was told by Shearer not to take the job in the first place. He's failed at every other club he's been to except Hull.
It's a poor squad but they aren't fit and they don't even look like what they are doing! Who's responsibility is that? BRUCE! So why the fuck is Bruce giving them free licence to do what the fuck they want cos they aren't training properly.
Does he deserve credit for the 5th place finish? Nope, simply because it was never intentional. Ashliar's remit then is the same now, to stay in the Premier League, they just had better players then and a lot of luck. They still went out of both cups in the 4th round !
Ashley is the one that should be getting it but people aren't doing it, it's been said for years but nothing is ever organised.
Doesnt mean that Bruce is blameless as Bruce is the one that organises training, formations *coughs team selection ahem. Would he have done better with better players, no I don't believe he would've. Don't forget that he was in charge of Aston Villa who was supposed to walk the championship but never did, not even close.
If he hasn't got the right players then it's HIS responsibility to bang on Ashley's door and demand better players. If not then resign! He was 11th choice because no fucker else wanted it, he was told by Shearer not to take the job in the first place. He's failed at every other club he's been to except Hull.
It's a poor squad but they aren't fit and they don't even look like what they are doing! Who's responsibility is that? BRUCE! So why the fuck is Bruce giving them free licence to do what the fuck they want cos they aren't training properly.
