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PhillyBlueMoon

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I'm not watching this game, only following on The Beeb. Was Robben actually fouled, or did he go down way too easily, as usual?
 
He was fouled,lovely dinked ball over the defence and Robben reached it before Chesney who had commited himself, taking out Robben in the process, he did make a meal of it but definite pen and no choice but to give red.
 
Also, the incident brings to mind whether or not sending off a player and giving a penalty is too harsh. What if a breakaway that ended with a player being tackled, regardless of where it was, was given as a penalty and a yellow card?
 
PhillyBlueMoon - 19/2/2014 20:55

Also, the incident brings to mind whether or not sending off a player and giving a penalty is too harsh. What if a breakaway that ended with a player being tackled, regardless of where it was, was given as a penalty and a yellow card?
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So you want to outlaw tackling?
 
citizhun - 19/2/2014 16:03

PhillyBlueMoon - 19/2/2014 20:55

Also, the incident brings to mind whether or not sending off a player and giving a penalty is too harsh. What if a breakaway that ended with a player being tackled, regardless of where it was, was given as a penalty and a yellow card?
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So you want to outlaw tackling?
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Outlaw tackling? When did I say that? I meant that, in the case of last night where Demichelis stopped a clear goal scoring opportunity, he gets a yellow and a penalty is given, even if the play happened outside of the box.
 
How do you define a breakaway Philly? Take Nastasic's challenge around the halfway line against Chelsea for example, that was a breakaway which resulted in a yellow, would that then be deemed a penalty?
 
PhillyBlueMoon - 19/2/2014 20:55

Also, the incident brings to mind whether or not sending off a player and giving a penalty is too harsh. What if a breakaway that ended with a player being tackled, regardless of where it was, was given as a penalty and a yellow card?
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Interesting take there Philly. There should be more scope for amending the rules to see what's - they've done it with the goalkeepers in the past (6 seconds/can't pick up from back passes etc). I'd like to see the referee booking players for not retreating from free kicks......
 
PhillyBlueMoon - 19/2/2014 21:05

citizhun - 19/2/2014 16:03

PhillyBlueMoon - 19/2/2014 20:55

Also, the incident brings to mind whether or not sending off a player and giving a penalty is too harsh. What if a breakaway that ended with a player being tackled, regardless of where it was, was given as a penalty and a yellow card?
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So you want to outlaw tackling?
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Outlaw tackling? When did I say that? I meant that, in the case of last night where Demichelis stopped a clear goal scoring opportunity, he gets a yellow and a penalty is given, even if the play happened outside of the box.
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Ermmm...right about here...."What if a breakaway that ended with a player being tackled". I take it you meant 'fouled'?

Tend to agree. Even before last night I've always felt that a red card AND a penalty was overkill. I always understood it was a red for denying a clear goal scoring opportunity, but if a penalty is given, how is it then denying a clear goal scoring opportunity? For me it should be a red if outside the box, and yellow if inside :thinking:
 
Bluedub - 19/2/2014 16:07

How do you define a breakaway Philly? Take Nastasic's challenge around the halfway line against Chelsea for example, that was a breakaway which resulted in a yellow, would that then be deemed a penalty?
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Well, that's the sh**** part, because it would have to be subjective. Remember a few years back against Chelsea when Tevez was taken down by Terry on the halfway line that saw him shown red? That was a judgement call to reduce Chelsea to 10 men. So, in short, I don't know how to answer that question.
 
PhillyBlueMoon - 19/2/2014 21:17

Bluedub - 19/2/2014 16:07

How do you define a breakaway Philly? Take Nastasic's challenge around the halfway line against Chelsea for example, that was a breakaway which resulted in a yellow, would that then be deemed a penalty?
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Well, that's the sh**** part, because it would have to be subjective.
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Then how is that any better than the current ruling? :thinking:
 
PhillyBlueMoon - 19/2/2014 21:17

Bluedub - 19/2/2014 16:07

How do you define a breakaway Philly? Take Nastasic's challenge around the halfway line against Chelsea for example, that was a breakaway which resulted in a yellow, would that then be deemed a penalty?
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Well, that's the sh**** part, because it would have to be subjective. Remember a few years back against Chelsea when Tevez was taken down by Terry on the halfway line that saw him shown red? That was a judgement call to reduce Chelsea to 10 men. So, in short, I don't know how to answer that question.
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I think that's Robinho's debut you're referring to and I think it was Jo that Terry brought down, he did get red. I don't think a penalty would be right in that instance.

I'm not too fussed with the rule the way it is now but I wouldn't be too fussed either if it was changed to Citizhun's suggestion.
 
citizhun - 19/2/2014 16:21

PhillyBlueMoon - 19/2/2014 21:17

Bluedub - 19/2/2014 16:07

How do you define a breakaway Philly? Take Nastasic's challenge around the halfway line against Chelsea for example, that was a breakaway which resulted in a yellow, would that then be deemed a penalty?
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The offending player would still be on the pitch.
Well, that's the sh**** part, because it would have to be subjective.
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Then how is that any better than the current ruling? :thinking:
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What if they miss the penalty? (bear in mind there's a lot of English players in the Premier League :grin: )

Is the argument then that they've had no advantage despite being denied a clear goalscoring opportunity?
 
Bluedub - 19/2/2014 16:24

PhillyBlueMoon - 19/2/2014 21:17

Bluedub - 19/2/2014 16:07

How do you define a breakaway Philly? Take Nastasic's challenge around the halfway line against Chelsea for example, that was a breakaway which resulted in a yellow, would that then be deemed a penalty?
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Well, that's the sh**** part, because it would have to be subjective. Remember a few years back against Chelsea when Tevez was taken down by Terry on the halfway line that saw him shown red? That was a judgement call to reduce Chelsea to 10 men. So, in short, I don't know how to answer that question.
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I think that's Robinho's debut you're referring to and I think it was Jo that Terry brought down, he did get red. I don't think a penalty would be right in that instance.

I'm not too fussed with the rule the way it is now but I wouldn't be too fussed either if it was changed to Citizhun's suggestion.
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It was Jo taken down by Terry, which was Terry's first straight red card, if you can imagine that.
 
rojo2010 - 19/2/2014 16:28

What if they miss the penalty? (bear in mind there's a lot of English players in the Premier League :grin: )

Is the argument then that they've had no advantage despite being denied a clear goalscoring opportunity?
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It's their own damn fault if they miss the penalty. If Messi had missed last night they wouldn't have given him another one.
 
Surely it's Arsenal out of the Champions League then? Without their #1 for next game and going into The Allianz, will be incredibly tough. However, I guarantee you the experts will claim we don't have a chance and Arsenal do...
 
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