Ange Postecoglou sacked, where next?

mao tse tung said:
Apart from one or two individuals, the narrative from the media has been pretty clear and consistent.

The only way there will be any kind of improvement will be if EM buys up some of the media, like he did in Greece
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Or sells up. Which he isn’t likely to do in the near future.
 
Interesting opinion piece here IMO with a few home truths buried within.

Dyche cannot believe his luck – curing Forest’s utter woke nonsense is his perfect job​

Sean Dyche surely cannot believe his luck.

It’s hard to conceive of a more perfect canvas than a humbled yet thoroughly capable Forest squad for Dyche to paint an anti-woke masterpiece.

There are two ideal scenarios for Dyche to come in to a club and unleash his Brexitball. Either a club that is thoroughly aware of its limitations, or one paying the ultimate price for being entirely unaware of them.

Nottingham Forest and their main-character owner deluded themselves into the deeply dangerous belief that one thoroughly competent season playing rigidly defined and expertly trained counter-attacking football in a year when so many big teams were just awful had elevated them directly into the elite.

That they were now a club that could dare to dream big and face no real consequences should the heat of the Barclays sun prove too much for their new and hastily glued wings.

They have now discovered that was very much not the case. It was, in fact, utter woke nonsense.

You only appoint Ange Postecoglou, with his recent Premier League record of just losing pretty much all of the games pretty much all of the time, if you have kidded yourself relegation is not something you have to think about.

And you only appoint Dyche if you’ve realised that relegation is now the only thing you have to think about.

Forest are the most textbook example of the second kind of Dyche club we can possibly imagine. As such, it is actually a very decent appointment. It’s a smaller, quieter, chastened Forest that Dyche enters than the one Nuno left just a few short weeks ago, but one that is therefore more malleable. More open to what must be done. What will be done.

You will have gruel-and-gravel Brexitball, and you will enjoy it. Or at least accept and appreciate its necessity.

And what’s even better for Dyche is that it should absolutely work a treat too. In the round, Forest have bollocksed this up. Dyche is not as good a manager as Nuno. He is even less subtle in his methods. He is a downgrade from the manager Forest had at the start of the season, but he is of the same school.

And thus a much better fit for the profile of squad he will inherit. Because it really is a very good squad indeed, and one that absolutely need not be in any of the sort of strife in which it finds itself. They are better off now than they were with Ange.

The low-block-and-counter might not be quite so effective for Dyche this season as it was for Nuno last, but it should be plenty effective enough to quickly steer Forest away from their current self-inflicted Angeball-delusion relegation fight.

Dyche will get Forest organised and efficient once more. He will prioritise what they are good at, which we already know thoroughly aligns with what he wants his teams to be good at. We saw it work time and again last season, and it will work time and again this.

We are beyond confident that Chris Wood goals in p*ss-boiling, xG-mocking draws and wins will once again soon become the norm at the City Ground. Forest will again become one of the hardest teams to play against instead of the softest and easiest. And pretty quickly too, we suspect.

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Sean Dyche cannot believe his luck - curing Forest's utter woke nonsense is his perfect job

It's hard to conceive of a more perfect canvas than a chastened, humbled yet capable Forest squad for Sean Dyche to paint an anti-woke masterpiece.
www.football365.com www.football365.com
 
Basha73 said:
I think they did have a plan but it was based on being in control of when Nuno left. Nuno’s interviews basically scuppered that and EM then had a rush of blood which has screwed us.

Is Dyche a Chapions League quality manager? Probably not. What he is is a safe pair of hands. He bases everything on squad unity so he should stabilise things in that respect.

On the pitch we will be organised and hopefully solid defensively but beyond that we don’t know yet. Historically his style has been ‘pragmatic’ but if he has any aspirations of keeping the job long term then he will need to show more. He will need to prove that he can improve players and that he can challenge at the right end of the table.

We know how demanding EM is so if Dyche doesn’t meet those expectations he will be gone in the summer. He may be gone even if he exceeds those expectations if EM thinks he can get better.

We had a chance this season to build on last season but as a club we fucked it. Dyche most likely isn’t going to be the long term solution but he will be a step in the right direction after the recent shitshow.

I really hope he earns himself a longer contract because that will mean we got it right and that a bloke that loves Forest has exceeded all expectations.
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I think Dyche will satisfy most fans expectations but that wont keep him his job. Maybe I'm wrong as EM stuck with cooper.
I just think with so many prem games left and the fa cup and 6 more games to ensure we progress in europe EM will expect a lot more than us fans.

We dont know what has been said. Maybe the remit is just ensure survival and have a better showing in europe in which case all's well.
 
apocalypse said:
I think Dyche will satisfy most fans expectations but that wont keep him his job. Maybe I'm wrong as EM stuck with cooper.
I just think with so many prem games left and the fa cup and 6 more games to ensure we progress in europe EM will expect a lot more than us fans.

We dont know what has been said. Maybe the remit is just ensure survival and have a better showing in europe in which case all's well.
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I would be surprised if EM wasn’t expecting a top ten finish and a run to the latter stages of Europe and/or the FA Cup.

I don’t think either of those is out of reach albeit I want us to move away from the bottom 3 before I start forming my own hopes and expectations. Going to be an interesting run to the January window.
 
Just make us solid at the back and hard to beat

Tough tackling. 110 per cent workrate.

The results will come. We will see some skill as well

Dyche style might work well in Europa
 
Basha73 said:
I would be surprised if EM wasn’t expecting a top ten finish and a run to the latter stages of Europe and/or the FA Cup.

I don’t think either of those is out of reach albeit I want us to move away from the bottom 3 before I start forming my own hopes and expectations. Going to be an interesting run to the January window.
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While i have my doubts about Dyche i want him to do well. Bit of fairytale to it.

Just wish the club had done a proper job of idenfying someone and really going for them instead of just picking up whos out of work like they always do
 
Peter Baxendale Thomas said:
Interesting opinion piece here IMO with a few home truths buried within.

Dyche cannot believe his luck – curing Forest’s utter woke nonsense is his perfect job​

Sean Dyche surely cannot believe his luck.

It’s hard to conceive of a more perfect canvas than a humbled yet thoroughly capable Forest squad for Dyche to paint an anti-woke masterpiece.

There are two ideal scenarios for Dyche to come in to a club and unleash his Brexitball. Either a club that is thoroughly aware of its limitations, or one paying the ultimate price for being entirely unaware of them.

Nottingham Forest and their main-character owner deluded themselves into the deeply dangerous belief that one thoroughly competent season playing rigidly defined and expertly trained counter-attacking football in a year when so many big teams were just awful had elevated them directly into the elite.

That they were now a club that could dare to dream big and face no real consequences should the heat of the Barclays sun prove too much for their new and hastily glued wings.

They have now discovered that was very much not the case. It was, in fact, utter woke nonsense.

You only appoint Ange Postecoglou, with his recent Premier League record of just losing pretty much all of the games pretty much all of the time, if you have kidded yourself relegation is not something you have to think about.

And you only appoint Dyche if you’ve realised that relegation is now the only thing you have to think about.

Forest are the most textbook example of the second kind of Dyche club we can possibly imagine. As such, it is actually a very decent appointment. It’s a smaller, quieter, chastened Forest that Dyche enters than the one Nuno left just a few short weeks ago, but one that is therefore more malleable. More open to what must be done. What will be done.

You will have gruel-and-gravel Brexitball, and you will enjoy it. Or at least accept and appreciate its necessity.

And what’s even better for Dyche is that it should absolutely work a treat too. In the round, Forest have bollocksed this up. Dyche is not as good a manager as Nuno. He is even less subtle in his methods. He is a downgrade from the manager Forest had at the start of the season, but he is of the same school.

And thus a much better fit for the profile of squad he will inherit. Because it really is a very good squad indeed, and one that absolutely need not be in any of the sort of strife in which it finds itself. They are better off now than they were with Ange.

The low-block-and-counter might not be quite so effective for Dyche this season as it was for Nuno last, but it should be plenty effective enough to quickly steer Forest away from their current self-inflicted Angeball-delusion relegation fight.

Dyche will get Forest organised and efficient once more. He will prioritise what they are good at, which we already know thoroughly aligns with what he wants his teams to be good at. We saw it work time and again last season, and it will work time and again this.

We are beyond confident that Chris Wood goals in p*ss-boiling, xG-mocking draws and wins will once again soon become the norm at the City Ground. Forest will again become one of the hardest teams to play against instead of the softest and easiest. And pretty quickly too, we suspect.

www.football365.com

Sean Dyche cannot believe his luck - curing Forest's utter woke nonsense is his perfect job

It's hard to conceive of a more perfect canvas than a chastened, humbled yet capable Forest squad for Sean Dyche to paint an anti-woke masterpiece.
www.football365.com www.football365.com
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Yes, there are certainly a few home truths, unfortunately you have to read all of that tired, cliched, pompous drivel to get to them.
 
apocalypse said:
While i have my doubts about Dyche i want him to do well. Bit of fairytale to it.

Just wish the club had done a proper job of idenfying someone and really going for them instead of just picking up whos out of work like they always do
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I would love him to do well and prove that he can be more than just a jobbing manager.

I think EM will always go his own way with managers. He hasn’t paid a fee for a manager yet but I think he will in future for the right person. Unfortunately I don’t think we are in a position for that yet after the last few months.
 
At the very least dyche will get us organised and seeing ange completely screw that up will be a huge step. Porto first is a free hit for anyone who came in really, but we have no reason we can’t compete
 
mao tse tung said:
So, do you think improving our media presentation will go someway to prevent us conceding goals from set pieces?

Its the last thing we should be bothered about.

The media do not like us, and there is nothing much we can do to change that, apart from change owner, so fuck them.
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Im in the middle of this. I think the media are not helpful and have been waiting for the bubble to pop. Probably couldnt believe their luck we took ange. The media want us to know our place and humble, low block, dinosaur yada yada fits their narrative perfectly. Haha forest from lofty ambitions to dyche. And for that very reason I am totally with the sentiment, fuck them. I hope dyche makes them fooking sick by ramming their lazy options where the sun don't shine. In any case, we're back to underdogs, sobeit.
 
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