Greavswasthegreatest
Vital Football Legend
As the Ange thread descends into the depths of history.
Spursex
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Hoddle told TalkSPORT: “Every time Spurs and Ange defended correctly, which they did at Man City, they beat them 4-0 away from home, because they knew they had to defend well.
“They went to Frankfurt away from home in the second-leg, they went to Bodo and they defended properly and looked like a dangerous team, hitting teams on the counter.
“It’s not just winning the Europa League trophy, they got to the semi-final of the League Cup, they got beaten by the champions Liverpool over two legs, every time they had to defend properly, they produced.
“So when you reflect on that, I’m absolutely baffled why he actually got the sack, he deserved another 12 to 15 games.”
As the analysis gets more objective everyone will just start shaking their heads.
Pompey Yid
Vital Champions League
Personally I am still livid wiv the treatment of Ange after getting the monkey off our back, coincidence an ex-Gooner, double agent, starts as CEO, I don't think so.
Please Frank when appointed make me forget to some degree at least.
Please Frank when appointed make me forget to some degree at least.
Matic
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This is exactly the case... which kind of makes last season more frustrating because he did do it at times. So why didn't he do it more?
Matic
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But could you then answer that with another question...
If he had been more pragmatic, more often, would he have finished in a league position that completely took the choice of sacking him off the table?
TQ2Spurs
Vital Champions League
I'm inclined to believe the reports that the players requested a meeting with Ange to express their concerns about how they were being asked to play when it wasn't working and it was only after this he allowed them a bit more leeway to play to their strengths, hence more priority given to defence instead of gung-ho attacking in the EL.
He bet the farm on the trophy. I would have moved all my resources to that as well.
Matic
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But... did he need to?
And I'm one of the people who thought he deserved to start the new season with us.
Spursex
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Given how you've seen how most/if not all the key players were so distraught about his sacking publically, do you still believe that?
TQ2Spurs
Vital Champions League
Yes, why wouldn't you? If as a senior player you can see things aren't working in a serious way would you just carry on without questioning things? I wouldn't and I would hope my boss was open to discussing the issues.
Spursex
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Players and coaches normally spoke about a game in the review video room, as ours did/do - there would be no need to 'request a meeting' but whatever, it really doesn't matter now.
He thought so. And he delivered. So in hindsight his decision making resulted in the desired outcome. You can argue methods all day long (so can I
) but we cannot dispute results.Attachments
Matic
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Of course not. He delivered a trophy and nobody can take that away from him. I think he made a big mistake though. I see no reason he couldn't have been pragmatic with the same players he ended up using at the same times.
Dare I say it... I think he underestimated himself!
Spursex
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Got to be honest, there were times during the season when it was hard to watch, because in 12 games we were ahead or in control but couldn't maintain it; we relied on kids for too many games or players who just we'ren't good enough, so context when we make these statements is also true.
Frankly, I think when he did take a different approach, the press would hound him about abandoning his principles, and to my mind, he let them get under his skin, which affected his judgement. sadly, too many of our managers appear to allow that to happen to them., but of course that's because they know Levy and know that our average tenure is 1.83 years....
