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All VAR Discussions Here Please

Walthamstow wanderer said:
I would love half an hour in a locked room with michael
Oliver and mike dean . Not to do anything nasty , honest , just to ask questions and get an answer out of them , an honest answer !
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I would like to re-watch a game with the pair of them and genuinely ask them what was their perspective on the controversial events. I do genuinely believe they would prefer to follow the rules rather than have to interpret the "clear and obvious" guideline. Such a subtle change but if the video ref could remove that piece, life would be a lot simpler.
 
Walthamstow wanderer said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56291846

Lee Probert making some weird comments on here .
Refs don’t make common sense decisions !!
The pandemic is affecting their performances
They do have howlers .!
Every game is now in the tele !
We were punished earlier in the season , but it wouldn’t be a penalty now !
Just shows the state VAR is in .
offside is black and white ,he says !!!!!!!!!
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I've long since stopped been blaming VAR for the problems in football.

PGMOL - 20 years after forming, we are no closer to getting the most talented officials in the country on the pitch in the Prem. The current set of elite refs aren't good enough. They spend all their time between the pitch and Stockley Park protecting each other over their mistakes and hide behind the "clear and obvious" grey space. They all share the same metrics so no incentive to call a mate out for making a mistake.

IFAB/FIFA/UEFA - just how do this lot think they are improving the game? In their meetings to discuss the rules, they must be smoking something. The reason they aren't top is that PGMOL ignores the rules anyway.

The Premier League (FAPL Ltd) - sold their souls to the broadcasting companies years ago. Every decision is based on money, not football.

So as for VAR, it's a very great piece of technology that has been totally abused in the hands of all the above people. In fact, they're too thick to use it and should probably put it back in the box, send it back and ask for a refund.
 
The process of how new rules get implemented surely needs reviewed. It's clear that week in week out not only is there inconsistency and confusion but players, managers, media and fans have zero idea what should be a handball and what shouldn't. Do each of these bodies have a say in how the laws are written? It not then why not and who makes the decision. If they do then those who responded saying that the new laws were ready to be implemented need removed from their position as it is "clear and obvious" that they are useless at their job.

For the offside there's 2 easy possible fixes.
A). Use the players feet as the line so that we don't have this nonsense of margin of error about where the shoulder/arm stops/starts. You will still get close calls but it will be more accurate and clearer that the right place for the line was selected.
B). Have umpires call. Linesman does their job. When reviewing a goal if the forward is clearly offside (without use of lines, after a quick replay of max 20seconds) then the linesman decision gets overturned.

It is crazy how easy it would be to fix so many of these problems. It's almost a if the governing bodies want VaR to fail.
 
I agree with all the points above from mutters and Meee .
What I don’t understand is why someone thought we actually needed these rule changes .
It was always .....
hand to ball......against the law .
Ball to hand , not against the law.
What can be more simple .
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Offside , this has been changed almost constantly over the last twenty years .
When it settled at .... level is onside and any advantage is given to the attacker , which , in their words , encouraged attacking play and produced more goals , we all accepted that .

There is is simple solution, use VAR for the passages of play that cannot be seen , the ref would have to say he couldn’t see , thereby making him do his job , and for stopping cheating , diving etc .
Apart from that , it really is not needed .

Can any true football follower actually say , hand on heart , that the game has been improved as a spectator sport by the use of VAR .

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Premier League clubs set to review VAR offside criteria

Martyn Ziegler
Friday March 12 2021, 12.01am, The Times
Premier League
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McCarthy’s challenge on Foden on Wednesday caused yet another VAR controversy
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Premier League clubs are set to force through changes to the league’s VAR protocols at their annual meeting in June after discontent about the way the system has been used.
Club insiders say marginal offside decisions are especially unpopular, and expect that to be reinforced by a survey this week of players, coaches, managers and executives at the top-flight teams.
Some club chairmen have been looking enviously at the Netherlands, where the Eredivisie has been using its own VAR offside protocol, which means offsides have to be significantly more obvious to be given. Strictly speaking, Fifa’s VAR protocols do not allow such latitude but the Dutch have been doing it anyway.
A Premier League insider said: “We will take the feedback and act on it, though clearly we want to be in line with the VAR rules.”

Mike Riley, the managing director of Professional Game Match Officials Ltd, the organisation that oversees elite referees and video assistant referees, has asked to be kept updated about developments in the Dutch league.

The survey will also ask for views on the VAR system’s handling of serious foul play decisions and challenges in the penalty area.
Handball decisions will not be part of the survey — changes to the law were brought in by the International FA Board last week, meaning goals will not be disallowed for accidental handballs in the build-up, which should answer many of the criticisms that have been raised this season.
VARs are only supposed to be used for clear and obvious decisions, but as those are often subjective it has led to controversy over a number of incidents.
The most recent one happened on Wednesday evening when Phil Foden was tripped by Alex McCarthy in Manchester City’s win over Southampton. Jon Moss, the match referee, viewed a replay and decided the Southampton goalkeeper got a slight touch on the ball and that there was not enough of a reason to overturn his original decision.



Pep Guardiola, the City manager, said: “They want a clear and obvious error? That was. The referee got it wrong. It’s obvious to everyone there has been contact. If this happens anywhere else on the pitch, is that not a foul?”
 
Don't you think we had a similar shout ourselves last night, N'Dombele being fouled in the pen area, no said ref, not even looked at by VAR.
 
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