Alan Turing

Trekker

Vital Football Legend
#1
Has been pardoned for gross indecency posthumously.

Some points for discussion.

1) the act was illegal at the time.
2) if he's been pardoned shouldn't everyone be pardoned?
3) if he had committed another crime would he have been pardoned?
4) what difference does it make now?
 

Wurzel

Alert Team
#2
1. Yes it was and what a silly law.
2.Yes.
3.Depends on the crime.
4. It matters possibly to his family. It is said that he shortened WW2 by two years.
 

Saurat

Vital Football Hero
#3
The man won WW2 and invented the computer. He probably would have invented teletransportation had he lived another ten years. A Royal Pardon is the very least the State can do for him.
 

Trekker

Vital Football Legend
#4
So what about the other people who contributed by working in mines or firefighting or soldiers who were gay and prosecuted ?
 

OnMeHeadFred

Vital Reserves Team
#5
The pardon is important because it is always good when it is officially acknowledged that the so-called golden ages, which are claimed to have existed by right-wing idiots, were no such things and were actually a time when the state hung the innocent and were benighted enough to believe that it was ethical to turn a bloke into women (Turin grew breasts due to his treatment) in some hypocritical belief that the sort homosexual gropings which most of the establishment had witnessed, endured, inflicted or enjoyed at school (beastliness), was more damaging to consenting adults than it was to children, and while they allowed the beatings and buggery to continue unabated in the public schools, they chose to make a public example of a war hero to underpin their vile hypocrisy.

The pardon is slightly regrettable too because Turin's case was always the perfect example of how the state exploits people for its own purposes and when that purpose has been served, betrays them.

This is still going on, as every soldier will know. Cut their compensation, deny them support, while hiding behind cheap sentiment and pageantry, which serves the state far more than those sacrificed or damaged.

Pardoning Turin does not change that horrible fact and only fools the present generation into believing the establishment is not as vile and hypocritical as it actually is.









 

SKEGGY

Vital Football Legend
#6
Folklore has it that Steve Jobs based the Apple Logo on Turning. Due to the fact he laced an apple with strychnine then took a bite out of it.
 

Saurat

Vital Football Hero
#7
Trekker - 24/12/2013 09:10

So what about the other people who contributed by working in mines or firefighting or soldiers who were gay and prosecuted ?
They shouldn't have been prosecuted and should be pardoned also, of course. Turing was an exceptional man, but his rehabilitation shouldn't be exceptional.
 

Jonah

Vital Football Legend
#9
OnMeHeadFred - 24/12/2013 09:37

The pardon is important because it is always good when it is officially acknowledged that the so-called golden ages, which are claimed to have existed by right-wing idiots, were no such thing


Would that be as opposed to the real golden age we now enjoy under the left wing idiots?






 

kefkat

Vital Football Legend
#10
Alot of people (my late Mom being 1) thought it was the golden age because of her upbringing. She knew nothing of what went on in the world really such as this.

Reason?. No 24/7 media and awareness back then like now. People could live in their own little bubble if they had the right upbringing which Mom did.

It is important from the sense to acknowledge or wrong is put right for the family and historical reasons. His name wont be shoved under a carpet now. The world 'supposedly' learns from past mistakes.

Glad he can now have the correct recognition he deserves and his place in history
 

OnMeHeadFred

Vital Reserves Team
#11
kefkat - 24/12/2013 12:38

People could live in their own little bubble if they had the right upbringing which Mom did.
You make a very good point.

Ask someone their opinion of how good or bad the present age is, and they are unlikely to tell you the state of their own life, and far more likely to repeat the horror stories which the media insist they must daily be bombarded with.

This reveals that their view is not based upon their own perceptions and actual experience but on the hellish churn of the media.

Some people think that this anxiety is deliberately created to make people feel anxious, which makes them seek comfort in endless work and consumption.

It is possible to create yourself a bubble which may even be desirable but as you say it is not easy.