Abuse or not?

Juan Mourep

Juan Mourep

Vital 1st Team Regular
http://www.parentdish.co.uk/2014/02/28/74-morbidly-obese-children-taken-from-their-parents-and-put-into-care/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cukt2%7Cdl6%7Csec3_lnk4%26pLid%3D246881

74 morbidly obese children taken from their parents and put into care
Eight kids weighed more than 20st

As many as 74 children have been taken away from their parents and into care in the last five years because they are morbidly obese.

Figures obtained under the Freedom of Information Act revealed that 183 youngsters under 11 in England, Scotland and Wales have been recorded as weighing more than 16st in the last three years.

Eight children weighed more than 20st and the heaviest weighed 23st 2lb, the Daily Mirror reported.

Figures released by the Health and Social Care Information Centre (HSCIC) this week show there has been a 12 per cent rise in the number of under-16s admitted to hospital for obesity in the last year,

NHS data showed that one in 10 children is obese by the time they start primary school, putting them at risk of developing health problems such as heart disease, type-2 diabetes and cancer.

Do you see it as child abuse or not? Yes or No.



From a personal perspective

It's obvious that some parents idea of parenting is to give their kids what they ask for all the time, you're a parent first and foremost, not a friend, sometimes you have to be a baddie, get some practice in now, repeat after me NO, NO you can't have that junk food, NO you don't need to consume a bag of sugar or haribo as it is now known, YES you are going to get off your fat arse and do some exercise, housework, gardening, chores, NO I don't care that you're going to cry/sulk/scream/moan, now get to your room and tidy it up.

See it's easy!

There is no sadder sight for me, than seeing fat parents waddling around the supermarket with their weebles in tow, pushing a trolley full of shit, I really do feel like slapping some sense into them.

For me, it's child abuse and shows a lack of care.






 
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Under 11 at 16 - 20 stone. Wowzer. Parents have to parent, that is abuse surely?

Education, education, education. Plus help and support seriously needed. If it continues.........

Blimey!
 
It can be a worry about the psychological damage it could have on the child being taken from his/her parents and placed into care.

I think there is more fingers to point than just at the parents too...The food industry, supermarkets. advertising, government etc all play a part. We now live in a fast food, TV meal culture, high sugar foods are labelled to aim their sales at children. Yes parents need to wise up but some of them are not that smart and believe what the TV commercials etc tell them.
 
So following on from that im saying No, it is not abuse..Just lack of nutritional knowledge and parents following the so called norm of today. Unless the government do something a new fat culture(just like what is happening in the States) will happen here..
 
Yes I have often asked the question on the Child protection courses I have to attend as part of my coaching requirements.

Some of the kids that turn up to our sessions have mars bars , crisps , fizzy drinks etc in their bag , and the session only lasts 90 minutes .

Ignorance really and education is a must.
 
Is it just a case of what they eat though I also think a lack of exercise plays a big part too.
 
I would imagine these parents have already been given guidance and the kids assessed and all that. 16 stone and above for someone under 11 years of age is incredible 'neglect' really.

Horrible situation and I doubt the authorities would be doing this lightly. Not sure it is the solution, but something needs doing to help these kids for sure.
 
There's a kid at my daughters school who must be close to 16 stone. Yes the child in mention is tall but they are huge. The parent in question is I believe employed in education. So wrong the child can hardly walk.
 
Where do you draw the line? I'm sure we all had kids like this when we were at school, what became of them if we know? In my case the ones I know still via facebook are fine and living happy lives, they didn't need to be put into care.
What is my concern is that kids I know from school who were put into or raised in care have in nearly all cases struggled for work, struggled socially and have seemingly difficult lives with ongoing problems.
Personally I think those in power need to address the current problems rather than adding to them with this new 'initiative.'
 
James06 - 7/3/2014 10:45

Where do you draw the line? I'm sure we all had kids like this when we were at school, what became of them if we know?
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I was that kid


In my case the ones I know still via facebook are fine and living happy lives, they didn't need to be put into care.
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It's the one's you don't still know that are the problem, the one's you do still know, are you sure they are "fine and living happy lives"? Fat people commonly put on a happy face, it's a defence mechanism, you have no idea how they felt growing up or the damage their weight did to their confidence, their lives.


What is my concern is that kids I know from school who were put into or raised in care have in nearly all cases struggled for work, struggled socially and have seemingly difficult lives with ongoing problems.
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Remember we are talking morbidly obese children here, so "in nearly all cases struggled for work, struggled socially and have seemingly difficult lives with ongoing problems" is their standard, even if they have lived at home.

The care system is not ideal, it is getting better, children are starting to be treated as children and not just another number, a problem to be dealt with, the psychological impact of the care system is now acknowledged and many of the care workers I deal with (I train children from two different homes) really do care and go out of their way to further the youngsters social skills.


Personally I think those in power need to address the current problems rather than adding to them with this new 'initiative.'
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Which "current problems" do you see as more important than a child's future?


 
As a parent you are responsible for what you feed your child, no one else. Therefore it is child abuse and neglectful parenting to let them obese and ill.

People who dont want to take this responsbiltiy shouldn't have children. People also need to stop blaming society, the food industry, the governments etc. Not once have I seen Colonel Sanders, Ronald McDonald or even Michael Gove round my house feeding my junk food. Its the same principle as the pay day loans and smoking. Its not education its just lazy, dumb and niave people.
 
Check out prides 'beached whales' thread, then tell me they ain't happy.
 
If a parent starves their kids it's abuse so why shouldn't it be the same for fat fuckers that turn their kids into fat fuckers, both will result in bad things.

Another thought I have about fat fuckers that make their kids fat is that the parent is probably gutted about being a fat fucker so their psychological state means that they project themselves onto their kids, think of a pop singer failure parent, then that parent starts living through the kid.
 
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