A question of morals

[Villan Of The North]

Imagine that you are wearing full body armour enough to protect from all but the luckiest of gun shots. There is a person shooting at you, you can see where they are but can't get a clean shot at them as they are hiding behind a small group of women and children and other innocent civilians. There is a wall behind them so if you throw a grenade behind them the blast is almost guaranteed to kill the gunman but will most likely kill some of the innocents and injure several others.

Now there is no doubt that the gunman is in the wrong, an evil act is being commited. You can stop that act with a single granade but there will be collateral damage. The gunman may end up killing you or one of your friends if you don't act.

What do you do?

 

[Villan Of The North]

I forgot to mention that, based on there being no real opposition and a bunch of false promises, the innocent people had previously chosen the gunman as their group leader.

 

[mike_field]

Clearly you nuke them, their friends, their family and you do your best to amend Wikipedia so they had no ancestors.

What is my prize?

 

[Villan Of The North]

mike_field - 8/8/2014 00:13

Clearly you nuke them, their friends, their family and you do your best to amend Wikipedia so they had no ancestors.

What is my prize?

A trip to Gaza City.

 

[mike_field]

They'd welcome an infidel like me surely, until I balanced out my thoughts anyway - although maybe they'd agree with my thoughts on both of our democratically elected governments??

 

[colavfc]

Your answer lies within the reason why a passenger plane is escorted to the airport by fighter jets in moments of major incident.

kill a few to save many many more. Id throw the grenade no question.

 

[Villan Of The North]

But you won't be saving many more, the gunman's shots are ineffective.

 

[Villan Of The North]

Perhaps it dependson the gunman's religion?

 

[Guest]

Col = excellent answer buddy but VOTN wont grasp it.

 

[mike_field]

Nope GT, because an escort isn't an automatic kill is it.

But you won't get that.

 

[BodyButter]

Don't forget that you have stolen the gunman and friends houses and restrict their water/food/electricity supply.

 

[Guest]

No BB...The gunman was always there.

 

[mike_field]

Green Tea - 7/8/2014 23:49

No BB...The gunman was always there.

Is that an admittance Israel forcefully occupied the area against the existing inhabitants.

Progress. :1:

 

[Villan Of The North]

Green Tea - 8/8/2014 00:27

Col = excellent answer buddy but VOTN wont grasp it.

You patronising twat! I "get it", I'm sufficiently above average intelligence to grasp most concepts but what I am not is a heartless, murderous fool who finds justification for prejudice atitudes and behaviour in an erroniously percieved threatening situation. And before you misunderstand, as you are want to do, I'm not referring to you, I'm referring to the Israelis.

 

[Villan Of The North]

Green Tea - 8/8/2014 00:49

No BB...The gunman was always there.

And? Your point? This justifies the killing of peoole who only turned to the gunman out of deperation because they had been forced from their homes and had their food and water stolen? And even then, they still turn away from supporting him because they see his promises were full of lies. But you'd still kill them?

 

[colavfc]

A jet fighter escort is if there is a sign of risk yes. But if the plane got took over and was headed for a tower block then it would be shot down.

The gunman is a risk. If he wasnt shooting it would be the same as an escort. Theres two points that are important. 1. He is shooting and trying to kill. 2. He is obviously a terrorist and if he gets away today he will do this again but next time he will use better weapons because he knows the ones he used today and ineffective. So yes many more lives will be saved.

 

[colavfc]

Ps i thought this was just going to be a test of moral. If i knew it was going to turn into a hamas gaza palestin3 israel row i wouldnt of answered.

 

[Guest]

mike_field - 7/8/2014 23:52

Green Tea - 7/8/2014 23:49

No BB...The gunman was always there.

Is that an admittance Israel forcefully occupied the area against the existing inhabitants.

Progress. :1:

No...I was referring to, that Palestinians dont want peace with Jews/Israel.

They WILL ALWAYS fight and peace cannot be obtained with them. Israelis know this but some on here fail to grasp it.

The Palestinian kids of today, will be adults firing bombs on Israel tomorrow. = And it will keep going, on and on and on, and on and on and on and on - until either side is eliminated, or they agree to live side by side democratically and peacefully together. But as iVe listed many times, can you EVER see the Palestinians having a gay pride march, bars, nightclubs, women wearing make up/short skirts etc? ie in other words(like the Israelis) living in a word accepting diversity, multiculturalism and freedom?

 

[mike_field]

colavfc - 8/8/2014 00:07

A jet fighter escort is if there is a sign of risk yes. But if the plane got took over and was headed for a tower block then it would be shot down.

The gunman is a risk. If he wasnt shooting it would be the same as an escort. Theres two points that are important. 1. He is shooting and trying to kill. 2. He is obviously a terrorist and if he gets away today he will do this again but next time he will use better weapons because he knows the ones he used today and ineffective. So yes many more lives will be saved.

Completely agree, but that wasn't GT's point hence my clarification mate. I agree with your standpoint, unfortunately sometimes it's a numbers game...but in this scenario he might be shooting, but he's not killing so there's a grand difference for me.

Plus in this scenario you are protected up to the hilt so could conceivably take the shots and just go and twat the bastard lol

 

[mike_field]

Green Tea - 8/8/2014 00:11

mike_field - 7/8/2014 23:52

Green Tea - 7/8/2014 23:49

No BB...The gunman was always there.

Is that an admittance Israel forcefully occupied the area against the existing inhabitants.

Progress. :1:

No...I was referring to, that Palestinians dont want peace with Jews/Israel.

They WILL ALWAYS fight and peace cannot be obtained with them. Israelis know this but some on here fail to grasp it.

The Palestinian kids of today, will be adults firing bombs on Israel tomorrow. = And it will keep going, on and on and on, and on and on and on and on - until either side is eliminated, or they agree to live side by side democratically and peacefully together. But as iVe listed many times, can you EVER see the Palestinians having a gay pride march, bars, nightclubs, women wearing make up/short skirts etc? ie in other words(like the Israelis) living in a word accepting diversity, multiculturalism and freedom?

Proving again you don't know the facts, the ceasefire that was in place and broken by Israel this time again, Palestine/Hamas' sensible demands about the blockade etc blah blah in one ear out the other....