A Muslim's response from The Huff

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A Muslim's Response to the 25,000 Anti-Islam Protesters in Germany

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Dear 25,000 Anti-Islam Dresden Protesters and Pegida,

I hear you marched in your thousands against my religion. Last week, and last month. You marched against immigrants, foreigners, and anyone a shade darker. I will not draw comparisons to Nazi Germany. I will not call you bigots, I will not insult you, and I will not label you. But we do have a problem.

You marched with banners claiming your city is overcrowded with Muslims. Yet 0.1% of Dresden are Muslim. You marched claiming immigrants are cramming your schools and leaving your children to travel miles for an education. Yet 2.5% of Dresden are foreign-born.

You claim that Germany is being invaded by Muslims. Yet only 5% of Germans are Muslim.

You march "against the Islamization of the West". Yet within a century containing two World Wars, the decolonisation process, countless civil conflicts, foreign intervention, globalisation, and further displacement, Muslims remain a fringe minority in Europe. Less than 6%. A pretty lousy colonisation process, no?

You marched against refugees and asylum seekers, claiming Germany is their target for welfare and social security. Yet according to UNHCR, there are 51.2million refugees worldwide. Germany caters for less than 0.01% of them. Is that too much to ask? Is such a humanitarian obligation too large for the Refugee Convention 1951 your government ratified? Or is it actually punitive, for example, in comparison to Lebanon where every fourth person is a Syrian refugee?

Protesters, you are not alone. In my country, Britain, we have our own anti-immigration party. Ukip won their first seat in Clacton with nothing but anti-migrant rhetoric. Yet only 4.3% of Clacton are foreign-born. In a Parliamentary-based system, where each constituency elects a representative to voice their views, there is nothing Ukip can do for the people of Clacton.

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Cont: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/rabah-kherbane/germany-islam_b_6486818.html
 
Ah, I'm reliably told on facebook this is bullshit, so there you go folks, ignore! :10:
 
I get fucked off with all of it, there should be a law that says live and let live otherwise you can't live here, you must go to Antarctica and live with Emperor Penguins!
 
thefacehead - 22/1/2015 15:07

I get fucked off with all of it, there should be a law that says live and let live otherwise you can't live here, you must go to Antarctica and live with Emperor Penguins!

I'd agree except for the fact that I quite like penguins and I'm not sure they'd survive the morons.
 
I don't disagree with the sentiment, but whilst only 4.3% of Clacton may be foreign born, that just means that their children and possibly children's children were born here.

As someone whose parents were immigrants ( dad 1950's, mum 1960) there's immigrants and their offspring etc who respect the values of their adopted country and consider it on an equal par or higher than the country of their origin, or their ancestral origin. Then there's those that don't. If you respect the country, it's (decent) values, and it's people, if you're happy to pay your way unless illness, sickness or disability means you have to fall back on the safety net that is the welfare state, then you're one of us. If you don't, I can't see why you would expect anything other than people to discriminate against you.

 
upthevilla - 22/1/2015 14:59

I don't disagree with the sentiment, but whilst only 4.3% of Clacton may be foreign born, that just means that their children and possibly children's children were born here.

As someone whose parents were immigrants ( dad 1950's, mum 1960) there's immigrants and their offspring etc who respect the values of their adopted country and consider it on an equal par or higher than the country of their origin, or their ancestral origin. Then there's those that don't. If you respect the country, it's (decent) values, and it's people, if you're happy to pay your way unless illness, sickness or disability means you have to fall back on the safety net that is the welfare state, then you're one of us. If you don't, I can't see why you would expect anything other than people to discriminate against you.




I was thinking along those lines too upthevilla.

Nice to have a letter from a middle of the road Muslim though. I wonder if an extremist muslim will bother to write?........


Now, where's that vest?.........





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The Fear - 22/1/2015 14:01

Ah, I'm reliably told on facebook this is bullshit, so there you go folks, ignore! :10:

Hiya Fear. Just out of interest, in what way is it Bullshit? Was it not written by a Muslim, or even made up by the paper?
 
I would class The Islam religion & Immigration as 2 x different topics but kudos for him combining them.
 
HeathfieldRoad1874 - 22/1/2015 18:20

The Fear - 22/1/2015 14:01

Ah, I'm reliably told on facebook this is bullshit, so there you go folks, ignore! :10:

Hiya Fear. Just out of interest, in what way is it Bullshit? Was it not written by a Muslim, or even made up by the paper?

No idea mate. I put it up on my page. First comment from someone I don't know said it was bullshit.

No reason, no logic, just blind ignorance.

By all means read the article, look at that stats and debate why you think know they are right or wrong, but nope, doesn't suit the agenda so bullshit.

It wasn’t the best retort I'd ever seen!

Just to be clear, wasn't me calling it bullshit.
 
The Fear - 22/1/2015 19:32

HeathfieldRoad1874 - 22/1/2015 18:20

The Fear - 22/1/2015 14:01

Ah, I'm reliably told on facebook this is bullshit, so there you go folks, ignore! :10:

Hiya Fear. Just out of interest, in what way is it Bullshit? Was it not written by a Muslim, or even made up by the paper?

No idea mate. I put it up on my page. First comment from someone I don't know said it was bullshit.

No reason, no logic, just blind ignorance.

By all means read the article, look at that stats and debate why you think know they are right or wrong, but nope, doesn't suit the agenda so bullshit.

It wasn’t the best retort I'd ever seen!

Just to be clear, wasn't me calling it bullshit.

Did you respond to the person or not bother?
 
Responded in general to a few and then had a nice pm from someone who said thanks for trying to challenge some of the slightly more extreme views.
 
Ah, I see. I thought you were saying it was Bullshit, with someone on FB showing you how. In fact, you were just using sarcasm to show the level of intelligence we are dealing with here. Glad we cleared that up, and thanks.