9/11

Stephen Jay Hawkings

Stephen Jay Hawkings

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As it seems to be the season for "conspiracy theories" here at the moment, I want to drop the motherload of recent conspiracies, the events of September 11th 2001.

I saw it recently described as "the litmus test of our times". It's a very divisive subject.

Who believes the official line, and who doesn't? And why?

I don't believe the official version of events for many reasons that I will get into if anyone cares.



 
Well to begin with it is a conspiracy.

For me firstly I cannot wrap my head around the idea that the US Government would go to this extreme. They priors for false flag attacks but this is too much.

3,000 killed, the destruction of major infrastructure in the financial hub of the world and loss of billions of dollars.

I don't buy it.

Second reason I don't buy it is why I don't buy the moon landings as being fake. Way too many people would have to be involved so the secret would be out.

The idea that Moussad did it is crazy too. Israel attacking it's biggest supporter to create perpetual war in the Muslim world. What a giant risk for a country already compromised by existential threats all on flanks.
 
CDX_EIRE - 10/10/2016 02:44
For me firstly I cannot wrap my head around the idea that the US Government would go to this extreme. They priors for false flag attacks but this is too much.
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But why wouldn't they? They'll happily slaughter thousands of women and children in foreign countries and sacrifice their own troops in illegal wars under false pretenses so why would 3,000 Americans mean anything to them? And it's not the US Government but a small fraction within. You've said they have priors with false flag attacks, how is this one different? The whole point of a false flag attack is to drum up support from the public to go and take out "revenge" on the perpetrators. In this case, it was Afghanistan and then for some bizarre reason Iraq aswell, even though most of the hijackers apparently held Saudi Arabian passports. What's going on there?

Second reason I don't buy it is why I don't buy the moon landings as being fake. Way too many people would have to be involved so the secret would be out.
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I've seen that argument before and it's a valid point, but how do we know how many people may have been involved in the operation? It could be very few. And if someone did speak out about it and claimed that he or she was involved, where would that story end up? Probably in the same realms of the internet where military, police, government officials etc. talk about UFOs and JFK. Conspiracy.com

The idea that Moussad did it is crazy too. Israel attacking it's biggest supporter to create perpetual war in the Muslim world. What a giant risk for a country already compromised by existential threats all on flanks.
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That's a shady area, but I'll give you my 2 cents anyway. Israel wasn't attacking America, it's in line with the Project for the New American Century, in which Israel is directly involved. Regime change throughout the Middle East. Any country without a Central Bank gets invaded and overthrown. Afghanistan. Iraq. Syria. Next up Iran. What a great excuse 9/11 was then to go and invade those countries.

 
It's a reality.

It's also a conspiracy but not for the conspiracies listed in bright and dark corners of the internet.

Did the US know - probably - much like the UK when in WW2 the Enigma was broken.

Acceptable casualties etc.

Bombs planted in the buildings or just bad manufacture not living up to what was expected as a threat, built on by a threat not expected - although many years before there was a film wasn't there.

Maybe I'm simple, I worked as a locksmith for a few years - we assessed threats and doors and physical security and how that would impact on a building - ie weak spots. There are so many saying plane fuel will do this won't do this.....I'm yet to see a risk assessment on a tower factoring in a plane ruining safety points in its construction and then the allied complications that come from that.

The official line is bollocks...but it would be.
CIA for budget - bollocks.
Mossad - bollocks.

And it goes for all.

The truth will never be known, but out of respect for those that died and those injured trying to help....sometimes even when the truth isn't known, it's not a leap to realise it was a simple attack of terror by arseholes.
 
It's absolutely as it has been explained. I've done some very detailed research on this, and every point put forward claiming it to be a conspiracy is easily debunked.

For me, to be a conspiracy you would be saying that thousands of emergency service workers were complicit, and I just can't see that. They lost too many of their own to remain silent.
 
I've got to say I agree with Heath on this. I've seen TV and video countering the claims made by conspiracy theory fans but unfortunately it decends into a squabble when you challenge most (not all) of them.
 
Over half the population in the earth don't believe the official story.
 
Pretty clear what's gone on innit -

big feet have burrowed under the towers in an attempt to escape aliens probing their big hairy backsides and the towers have simply fallen into the hollow earth beneath
job done
now where's my fifteenth cup of special herbal tea - buzzing
 
HeathfieldRoad1874 - 10/10/2016 09:34

Have you any evidence to support that information?
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I will try and find the article I read. This is the U.S. Population opinion.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/October2006/141006poll.htm
 
Sasquatch - 10/10/2016 09:53

HeathfieldRoad1874 - 10/10/2016 09:34

Have you any evidence to support that information?
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I will try and find the article I read. This is the U.S. Population opinion.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/October2006/141006poll.htm
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You clearly stated over half the Earth. Last I checked, the US doesn't constitute half of this planet.

I wouldn't bother looking for that article. I've got actual statistics ready to go, should you be daft enough to post it.
 
BringbakMON - 10/10/2016 09:47

Pretty clear what's gone on innit -

big feet have burrowed under the towers in an attempt to escape aliens probing their big hairy backsides and the towers have simply fallen into the hollow earth beneath
job done
now where's my fifteenth cup of special herbal tea - buzzing
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You've got a real knack for this. You should work for the Government, uncovering these extraordinary events.

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HeathfieldRoad1874 - 10/10/2016 09:59

Sasquatch - 10/10/2016 09:53

HeathfieldRoad1874 - 10/10/2016 09:34

Have you any evidence to support that information?
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I will try and find the article I read. This is the U.S. Population opinion.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/October2006/141006poll.htm
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You clearly stated over half the Earth. Last I checked, the US doesn't constitute half of this planet.

I wouldn't bother looking for that article. I've got actual statistics ready to go, should you be daft enough to post it.
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Well I've just checked the polls in the UK and France and both have similar results. It seems the people who believe the official story are in the minority now. It doesn't make them right, just rasing a point.
 
Yes but that was done in 2008. The amount of people who doubt the official story has grown considerably. Even that poll shows a huge number of don't knows. I think people are just starting to wake up.
 
Just so you know, I have a Masters Degree in Statistical Analysis, so this is my specialty. I enjoy learning all the other stuff, but that is just a passing interest. Stats are the one thing I know inside out.

So, let me explain one thing. The phrasing of the question is fundamental to the survey. It can add bias to any results. Note the question asked above. It is open and unbiased, just a basic request for information. Could you post the questions asked in the surveys you looked at? I can guarantee you they will have twisted the results.
 
CDX_EIRE - 10/10/2016 02:44

For me firstly I cannot wrap my head around the idea that the US Government would go to this extreme. They priors for false flag attacks but this is too much.

3,000 killed, the destruction of major infrastructure in the financial hub of the world and loss of billions of dollars.

I don't buy it.
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This.

Although I'm not pretending there aren't evil people within the Western world including our own authorities.
 
HeathfieldRoad1874 - 10/10/2016 10:46

Just so you know, I have a Masters Degree in Statistical Analysis, so this is my specialty. I enjoy learning all the other stuff, but that is just a passing interest. Stats are the one thing I know inside out.

So, let me explain one thing. The phrasing of the question is fundamental to the survey. It can add bias to any results. Note the question asked above. It is open and unbiased, just a basic request for information. Could you post the questions asked in the surveys you looked at? I can guarantee you they will have twisted the results.
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You shouldn't use stats from 2008 though because there not accurate. I will try and find the survey I looked at.
 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polls_about_9/11_conspiracy_theories

This is from 2008 as well and less than half. The numbers have grown dramatically since then.
 
It's not a conspiracy persay but I do believe that some elements have been covered up for reasonss of security.

One element that I struggle with is the attack on the Pentagon, there was no aircraft debris and, for all aircraft debris to have "evapourated" the entire plane would have had to have been engulfed in the buiding, which is fine except that there was insufficient width of damage done accordong to the wingspan of the aeroplain that was supposedly used.

My personal theory is that a weapon was used that the US government don't want to admit to, either because it penetrted their defences, perhaps some kind of cruise missile, or perhaps they just didn't want to acknowledge the weapon used as they were the ones that they initially supplied.
 
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