5 Available Free Agent Managers

weejockmcplop said:
Was it entitlement when fans were asking for Hughton to be sacked?

I don't think there's a clear line over which entitlement is happening. Fans are well within their rights to have a moan. Obviously some fans LOVE to have a moan about absolutely everything, and when there's a terrible manager in place who can't buy a win and has a decent squad looking absolutely shite you're obviously going to get fans complaining.

I don't see how Forest fans have done anything wrong, and I certainly don't think you are any better than the rest of us for accepting absolute shit at Forest.
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I dont want to be better than anybody

Just wish it wasn't like this though at our club
 
Think he just named Savona as a random example could have been anyone McAtee etc. I think the main thrust of his point is correct though. You spend all that on players then oenny pinch over paying compensation to get the final piece of the jig saw in a decent manager.
You could of course argue that we already had one if they could have all sorted their differences out but it Nuno wanted out anyway that would have been pointless
 
Thewolf/jimmygordon said:
He would need to win every fookin game
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Between when and when??

When he took over i was behind him, and a few others on here. But failing to win in the first 7 games and the way we've deteriorated in the last week or so are an extremely bad sign.

I always said it makes sense to give him 10-15 games, but at the end of that time, this long period without a win is going to look extremely damning.

So in that sense, yes, he needs to start winning games, winning MOST if not all of our games, in order to get things looking okay by the time the initial review period is over.

That's nothing to do with entitled fans, its because he hasn't won any of the first 7 games.
 
Would we have more pull for managers from abroad?
JC21 said:
It doesn't matter what the figure is; it isn't 'set in stone' as Pope suggests, and it's exactly like a player's contract. The contract might say £20-30m, but Fulham may accept £3m (for example) as opposed to nothing at the end of the season.
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He's worth more than £3mill to keep for the season. If a new manager finished two places lower in the league they've lost money. It's not like a player with a £50mill transfer fee who they're risking walking for nothing.
 
Thewolf/jimmygordon said:
He would need to win every fookin game
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Please outline the positives Postecoglue has achieved?
It's a results business and he's failing. There is absolutely nothing to suggest there will be an improvement.
How long do you want to give him before you finally admit that he's the wrong person for the job and he's actually not that good.
 
LynxRed said:
Would we have more pull for managers from abroad?
He's worth more than £3mill to keep for the season. If a new manager finished two places lower in the league they've lost money. It's not like a player with a £50mill transfer fee who they're risking walking for nothing.
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£3m is an example. You know, I know, Pope knows, Fulham know that they won't be getting anywhere near £20m for him. They may have a manager lined up already, who knows. There's no guarantee that losing him results in a lower league finish either.
 
Thewolf/jimmygordon said:
Ive already seen posters saying Dyche aint good enough. Silva isn't great.

Solskaer is shite. Southgate cant manage a club team

Like I say the entitled ones would take Glasner or Iraola Bash

But we both know we wont be getting either

You watch what happens when the next guy gets announced

BEFORE he even arrives. The entitled fans will have made their minds up hes shite before the next guy manages a single game

And will be living up to tell us just how shite the next one is
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Must admit I agree that a lot of fans, and particularly Big M still seem to expect great things of us. Winning games doesn't seem to be enough, we must now do it in style, move upwards from finishing seventh, and qualify for the Champions League by winning the Europa League. Said it many times, but we are still almost the least experienced team in this league. What we really needed in the summer was two or three exceptional players, with some decent backups for the players who left. Instead we seem to have bought two first elevens to cope with the European games, with little (or no) improvement in the first eleven.

Two seasons ago we had a massive run of bad decisions. Last season a good run of decisions and few injuries. This season our luck seems to have turned again, though to say we have two England international midfielders, we still seem incapable of controlling midfield. Still not sure the exceptional players would join us either, as they'd rather join the big name clubs, however poor they are on the pitch.
 
Lienking said:
What we really needed in the summer was two or three exceptional players, with some decent backups for the players who left.
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I agree with this, the problem however is that I think we bought the best standard of players we could, once you go up to that next level, then they probably don't want to come to a club like us, or they want ridiculous wages. We've had to buy potential & hope that some of the players turn out to be the exceptionable players that we need, early signs are that they will take time which is not unreasonable
 
PsychoTheLegend said:
Please outline the positives Postecoglue has achieved?
It's a results business and he's failing. There is absolutely nothing to suggest there will be an improvement.
How long do you want to give him before you finally admit that he's the wrong person for the job and he's actually not that good.
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Ive already written him off due to the toxicity at the club around him

Im just spotting all the negative comments about the likely next managers

Before theyve even arrived

Alongside slagging off our players

And it pisses me off about what weve become as a fanbase already

I keep apologising for it

But its not how i enjoy being a fan

And im getting dragged into stuff i dont like about modern day football

I was criticising savona myself the other day on first impressions as a footballer.
 
seasider red said:
I agree with this, the problem however is that I think we bought the best standard of players we could, once you go up to that next level, then they probably don't want to come to a club like us, or they want ridiculous wages. We've had to buy potential & hope that some of the players turn out to be the exceptionable players that we need, early signs are that they will take time which is not unreasonable
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I also agree, but this is a result of qualifying for Europe. I know the whole point of the league (for us) is to qualify for Europe, but it would've probably been better if it hadn't been last season.
 
Lienking said:
Must admit I agree that a lot of fans, and particularly Big M still seem to expect great things of us. Winning games doesn't seem to be enough, we must now do it in style, move upwards from finishing seventh, and qualify for the Champions League by winning the Europa League. Said it many times, but we are still almost the least experienced team in this league. What we really needed in the summer was two or three exceptional players, with some decent backups for the players who left. Instead we seem to have bought two first elevens to cope with the European games, with little (or no) improvement in the first eleven.

Two seasons ago we had a massive run of bad decisions. Last season a good run of decisions and few injuries. This season our luck seems to have turned again, though to say we have two England international midfielders, we still seem incapable of controlling midfield. Still not sure the exceptional players would join us either, as they'd rather join the big name clubs, however poor they are on the pitch.
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Frank Warren on Ifltv youtube yesterday was asked about his thoughts on Arsenals start to the season. Hes a fan

He said its good to be top of the league but he wishes they could play more entertaining football

Then kind of apologised for what he was saying

Im personally thinking of getting away from football in its current toxic state and supporting local charities more instead

I dont even enjoy the games like i used to listening to all the complaints non stop around me

Maybe i need to take fookin headphones before I quit going altogether
 
Thewolf/jimmygordon said:
Frank Warren on Ifltv youtube yesterday was asked about his thoughts on Arsenals start to the season. Hes a fan

He said its good to be top of the league but he wishes they could play more entertaining football

Then kind of apologised for what he was saying

Im personally thinking of getting away from football in its current toxic state and supporting local charities more instead

I dont even enjoy the games like i used to listening to all the complaints non stop around me

Maybe i need to take fookin headphones before I quit going altogether
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Go and watch some non-league football Wolfie. I try to get to a few local games during the season on international break weekends etc. and it is a good palate cleanser.
 
Thewolf/jimmygordon said:
Ive already written him off due to the toxicity at the club around him

Im just spotting all the negative comments about the likely next managers

Before theyve even arrived

Alongside slagging off our players

And it pisses me off about what weve become as a fanbase already

I keep apologising for it

But its not how i enjoy being a fan

And im getting dragged into stuff i dont like about modern day football

I was criticising savona myself the other day on first impressions as a footballer.
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The toxicity is self induced. If he was winning games and fans could see an identity then we would soon forget that he wasn't wanted.
Social media is a great thing, it's also a very bad thing!!

We've always had a fall guy player, one that everyone blames. Every club has one. I actually rate Savona and feel he'll be a good player for us.
Kalimuendo is the one I think is shocking.
He needs time to adapt but it's difficult for us to accept this in the modern day world we live in.

Back to Postecoglue. Everything about him is off.
His record isn't good at all. Yes he won with Celtic but it was without any real competition
His first season with Spurs was good but last season? Terrible, yes he won a trophy but finished 17th. He stands on the sideline shaking his head and makes poor tactical changes and subs.
We have gone backwards since his appointment.
We can't afford to let him continue, he is single handedly undoing all the good work it's taken to get where we are. The players need to take some responsibility as does the owner but ultimately it's Postecoglue who is in charge.
 
Thewolf/jimmygordon said:
Ive already written him off due to the toxicity at the club around him

Im just spotting all the negative comments about the likely next managers

Before theyve even arrived

Alongside slagging off our players

And it pisses me off about what weve become as a fanbase already

I keep apologising for it

But its not how i enjoy being a fan

And im getting dragged into stuff i dont like about modern day football

I was criticising savona myself the other day on first impressions as a footballer.
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I get it, but I think it makes sense for fans to be disappointed given the difference between what we've seen this season and what we saw last season.

I've said myself I think its way too soon to be having a go at players.

I'd probably take 90% of EPL managers myself, including Dyche, and I think its a bit unfair for people to be against those appointments so heavily, but with Ange it was always going to be difficult unless he had a great start.
 
@Thewolf/jimmygordon you've made up a toxic narrative in your own head, just to be unhappy about. That's on you chap. Pretty much everyone who is unhappy with our managerial situation acknowledges that best case scenario is Ange wins games and we do well under him, and everyone would be happy with that. You're making out it's a "toxic" campaign against Ange just because we don't like him and it's unjustified and unfair. We're being spoiled brats because we don't like the perfectly capable manager who we've got.

Nobody wants Ange to leave the club purely because of who he is, or what his name is, or where he was before. The people who are unhappy with him, were unhappy with the original appointment, and are unhappy with current results have been unhappy based purely on football reasons. He hasn't done anything to disabuse those notions that he isn't the right man for the job. In fact, he's done so badly he's absolutely reinforced those initial concerns and then some.

I've yet to see you present a coherent footballing argument as to why you think Ange Postecoglou deserves more time and will turn results around at Nottingham Forest. I don't want "because 7 games isn't long enough". That's not a footballing reason to justify his appointment or position. In Premier League terms, with his Premier League record, what are the reasons for having Ange Postecoglou as manager? Where in his past achievements do we have a valid reason to believe he can turn around a Premier League team in Premier League fixtures given time to do so?

This is not on the fans. The fans didn't make this appointment, but they can see the colossal balls up that has been made. Why would we, as fans who want the best for our club, sit silently and passively watching a manager who is so clearly wrong for the club take us to relegation? Is that your idea of being a fan? I'm generally a supportive fan who gives more benefit of the doubt than many, but I can't find any reason or justification for it in this scenario.
 
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