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Hydrogen Cars and Buses Seize the Spotlight at Beijing’s Winter Olympic Games
Much as EVs were showcased during the 2008 Summer Games, fuel cell vehicles are in focus.
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A Farizon hydrogen bus at a the Olympics Village in Zhangjiakou.
Source: Farizon
Bloomberg News
February 14, 2022, 6:00 a.m. EST
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https://www.bloomberg.com/hyperdrive

When Beijing hosted the 2008 Summer Olympic Games, it used the global spotlight to showcase the then-emerging technology of electric vehicles.

Since then, EVs have moved from the fringe to the mainstream. China is the world’s biggest EV market, accounting for just over half of global sales in 2021. Worldwide, sales are forecast to top 10 million this year, and EV leader Tesla is the world’s most valuable automaker.

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So what does it say that China is now using the Winter Olympics to promote advances made in hydrogen-powered vehicles?
Hydrogen cars haven’t really caught on the way battery-powered vehicles have, even though they too offer the advantage of producing no tailpipe emissions — aside from water. Just under 9,000 hydrogen vehicles were sold in China between 2015 and 2021, a tiny fraction of the 302 million vehicles on the road.

But now, more than 1,000 hydrogen vehicles are traversing the streets of Beijing and Zhangjiakou, the mountainous region about 220 kilometers (136 miles) northeast of the capital, where ski jumping and snowboarding events are being held.
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Farizon hydrogen fuel buses at a station near the 2022 Beijing Olympics Village in Zhangjiakou.
Source: Farizon

The vehicles include more than 800 buses from automakers including Beiqi Foton, Geely and Yutong. Toyota’s hydrogen-powered Mirai cars and Coaster vans are also running through the Olympic venues, ferrying athletes and Olympic staff. There are specially designed hydrogen trucks offering services like ski waxing to help competitors maintain their gear, while four of Geely’s hydrogen vehicles have been used as catering vans offering food, hot coffee and milk tea to Olympic workers.
Compared to EVs, whose batteries can drain faster in cold weather, hydrogen-powered vehicles are better suited for wintry climates like Zhangjiakou, where temperatures during competition have plummeted to a bone-chilling 0 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 17 degrees Celsius). Refilling a hydrogen car takes only minutes, much faster than charging an EV.

While a lack of hydrogen filling stations has been a factor hindering the acceptance of fuel cell-powered vehicles in countries like neighboring South Korea, more than 30 such facilities were set up in the two cities to help meet the goal of making these Winter Games achieve net-zero carbon emissions.

And while most global automakers, from Volkswagen to Ford to General Motors, toss tens of billions of dollars toward pivoting to battery-electric vehicles, you can’t underestimate the ability of the Chinese state when it throws its political and administrative power behind a new industry.


The rest is here:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...e-spotlight-at-beijing-s-winter-olympic-games
 
China trumps all those opinions. The thinking is shifting.

Hydrogen is surging.
 
Except in cars.


The speed from concept to production with Hydrogen will be unbelievable. All the Asian manufacturers have models ready to go.

Like ethanol where we couldn't grow enough corn to power the planet, there simply aren't enough minerals on the planet to to build the batteries and power all the vehicles we need.

The momentum is building. The geopolitical ramifications are huge, every country can produce their own hydrogen from nuclear and various other sources.
 
The speed from concept to production with Hydrogen will be unbelievable. All the Asian manufacturers have models ready to go.

Like ethanol where we couldn't grow enough corn to power the planet, there simply aren't enough minerals on the planet to to build the batteries and power all the vehicles we need.

The momentum is building. The geopolitical ramifications are huge, every country can produce their own hydrogen from nuclear and various other sources.

So are electric battery run vehicles short lived in the context of how long the internal combustion engine will span time ?
Is too much emphasis being put on battery power ?
 
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What they fail to account for is the production of the batteries.
 
What they fail to account for is the production of the batteries.

related, but not completely, a friend is heading up the battery storage facilities build-out in the UK for the Tesla power/charging network - we had lunch yesterday, and we had that conversation - his expert opinion is it's a non-issue and the new battery technologies they're building on now gives them a 50-75 year window, especially where they can now recycle batteries and reuse them almost completely. Tesla isn't disclosing half of what they've achieved!
 
related, but not completely, a friend is heading up the battery storage facilities build-out in the UK for the Tesla power/charging network - we had lunch yesterday, and we had that conversation - his expert opinion is it's a non-issue and the new battery technologies they're building on now gives them a 50-75 year window, especially where they can now recycle batteries and reuse them almost completely. Tesla isn't disclosing half of what they've achieved!


It is still a vastly underrated global problem. The carbon footprint of the cradle to grave to cradle process is huge.

If the world persists with it's carbon obsession then.........
 
It is still a vastly underrated global problem. The carbon footprint of the cradle to grave to cradle process is huge.

If the world persists with it's carbon obsession then.........

The carbon obsession is largely over, apart from the military of course..
 
The carbon obsession is largely over, apart from the military of course..


Carbon market is growing. That will rekindle the obsession. BTW, all the pushback on this is coming from sources with vested interests in the battery market. There are a lot of undiscussed developments within the hydrogen market. Musk is worried about it.
 
Carbon market is growing. That will rekindle the obsession. BTW, all the pushback on this is coming from sources with vested interests in the battery market. There are a lot of undiscussed developments within the hydrogen market. Musk is worried about it.

Musk really isn't that bothered; Tesla are about to move all tehir batteries back to iron-based ones - a lot of the heat (excuse the pun) will now evaporate out of the lithium market - new iron battery technologies will make them at least equal too, perhaps even better than lithium-based ones i.e. lifetime and material costs etc etc - Electric cars (especially tesla ) ticket prices could drop by as much as 20%. in the next two years, despite chip shortages..
 
Like most things following the shift away from fossil fuels, there will be a mix of energy sources.

I imagine that long distance transportation and long distance public transfer will likely utilise hydrogen power as they won't have the same issues with creating the hydrogen infrastructure that currently exists for petrol/diesel. Then personal car usage and inner city transport will probably utilise battery powered cars.

But additionally, to "go green" the usage of individual cars should decline in favour of improved public transport and cycling/walking, particularly in cities/towns. The improvement of cycling infrastructure and automated buses will aid this. And before car fans complain, this will improve your driving experience immeasurably as it will be traffic congestion killing.

The other issue that frustratingly seems to be glossed over with regards to hydrogen power and that is the source of it. If hydrogen is being derived from fossil fuels then it shouldn't be considered green or environmentally friendly.
 
Like most things following the shift away from fossil fuels, there will be a mix of energy sources.

I imagine that long distance transportation and long distance public transfer will likely utilise hydrogen power as they won't have the same issues with creating the hydrogen infrastructure that currently exists for petrol/diesel. Then personal car usage and inner city transport will probably utilise battery powered cars.

But additionally, to "go green" the usage of individual cars should decline in favour of improved public transport and cycling/walking, particularly in cities/towns. The improvement of cycling infrastructure and automated buses will aid this. And before car fans complain, this will improve your driving experience immeasurably as it will be traffic congestion killing.

The other issue that frustratingly seems to be glossed over with regards to hydrogen power and that is the source of it. If hydrogen is being derived from fossil fuels then it shouldn't be considered green or environmentally friendly.


Agreed on the source for hydrogen. The true source needs to be transparent. The Saudi's are using wind and solar to produce it and there are many developments using other green sources for production. Quebec Hydro is using hydro, there are companies harnessing the excess heat from nuclear reactors and even some burning biomass.

I think city cars will be electric as well.
 
COAL-POWERED “CLEAN” HYDROGEN?
One thorn in Biden’s side: Joe Manchin, the Democratic senator from West Virginia who tanked the passage of Build Back Better, the US president’s social spending and climate bill. Manchin did, however, help push through an Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act that includes $9.5 billion in research and development for hydrogen.

While green hydrogen (produced using renewable energy) is seen as a low- or zero-carbon alternative to fossil fuels, Manchin is pushing for his state’s coal and natural gas resources to be a big part of the equation.

$8 billion: Amount earmarked in the infrastructure bill for four hydrogen production hubs—Manchin wants one in West Virginia

2 kg or less: CO2 emissions per kilogram of “clean” hydrogen, as defined by the legislation

18-20 kg: CO2 emissions per kilogram of hydrogen made using coal power

2-6x: Emissions from fossil fuel-derived hydrogen compared to burning fossil fuels directly

HYDROGEN’S INTERNATIONAL APPEAL
Joe Manchin isn’t the only one with their eye on hydrogen—Russia wants to control one-fifth of the global market by 2030, while an Australian billionaire is betting the future of his iron ore company on green hydrogen.
 
It begins......


The Canadian Press
Suncor getting out of wind and solar; will shift focus to hydrogen and renewable fuel

Mon, April 4, 2022, 8:04 p.m.·1 min read



CALGARY — Canadian energy company Suncor says it is getting rid of its wind and solar assets.

In a news release Monday, the Calgary-based company says it still intends to be net-zero emissions by 2050, but will accelerate progress towards that target by focusing on hydrogen and renewable fuels instead.

Suncor says its strategy for hitting the 2050 goal is also focused on increasing shareholder returns.

The company says it has developed eight wind power projects since 2002 in three provinces -- Saskatchewan, Alberta and Ontario.

The news release says efforts to hit the 2050 net-zero goal also include replacing coke-fired boilers at its Base Plant oilsands project near Fort McMurray, Alta., with lower emission cogeneration units, as well as accelerating commercial-scale deployment of carbon capture technology.

It also notes it's partnering with ATCO on a project to build a world-scale hydrogen project in Alberta and deploying next-generation renewable fuel technologies like LanzaJet’s sustainable aviation fuel technology and Enerkem’s waste-to-fuels technology.

This report by The Canadian Press was first published April 4, 2022.
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