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An Interesting study by Princeton University.
Seems to put the complete kybosh on Tory claims that schools don't spread tbe virus and in fact asserts the total opposite, that school children are proving the biggest spreaders of the virus.
The way cases rocketed after schools went back in the autumn and didn't start falling until schools have been shut over recent weeks would bear that out too.


https://www.princeton.edu/news/2020...study-date-finds-children-key-spread-evidence
 
And note also that in its infinite wisdom, our Government have actually decided to not vaccinate anyone under 18. They have been completely excluded from the programme.

So they will all go on passing the virus on and on and on.
It is yet another supremely daft decision.
 
Unfortunately the vaccines haven't been trialled on kids under 16. I do believe we should be following Israel's example (not often I say that!) and vaccinating 16-18 year olds. I am eagerly awaiting research into impact of vaccines on transmission of (I fully expect there to be some), but have thought for a while it might be worth going with the hunch and vaccinating 16-40 year olds as a next priority after the top 4 categories. They are the ones who work in public facing professions (often key workers/ retail/teachers etc.), the ones who are tempted to socialise because their personal risk is lower, and therefore the ones who keep the community transmission going. If vaccines do reduce transmission we could quickly break the chain and indirectly protect the more vulnerable.

Back to schools, and as the father of kids of 12 & 8 it is very distressing - not to mention challenging for them and their parents - having them miss their schooling. In my local area they went to school throughout the autumn even when rates here were over 800/100K (driven mainly by university students NOT school kids). Now those rates are 270/100K and we have an indefinite school closure. It doesn't make too much sense (with the caveat that the new mutation is more dangerous). I really need to see the government provide a clear roadmap out of this situation for everyone's sanity, and would prefer to se a 6 week full lockdown like spring last year to ensure rates are low enough to send kids back to school Easter at the latest.
 
simes69 said:
Unfortunately the vaccines haven't been trialled on kids under 16. I do believe we should be following Israel's example (not often I say that!) and vaccinating 16-18 year olds. I am eagerly awaiting research into impact of vaccines on transmission of (I fully expect there to be some), but have thought for a while it might be worth going with the hunch and vaccinating 16-40 year olds as a next priority after the top 4 categories. They are the ones who work in public facing professions (often key workers/ retail/teachers etc.), the ones who are tempted to socialise because their personal risk is lower, and therefore the ones who keep the community transmission going. If vaccines do reduce transmission we could quickly break the chain and indirectly protect the more vulnerable.

Back to schools, and as the father of kids of 12 & 8 it is very distressing - not to mention challenging for them and their parents - having them miss their schooling. In my local area they went to school throughout the autumn even when rates here were over 800/100K (driven mainly by university students NOT school kids). Now those rates are 270/100K and we have an indefinite school closure. It doesn't make too much sense (with the caveat that the new mutation is more dangerous). I really need to see the government provide a clear roadmap out of this situation for everyone's sanity, and would prefer to se a 6 week full lockdown like spring last year to ensure rates are low enough to send kids back to school Easter at the latest.
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Well said on all that.
The half-hearted measures just prolong things without solving anything.
And lack of proper border controls (still!) also makes it hard to keep things at bay.
Already a bunch of south african variant cases have been found, with the brilliant conclusion that it these cases may have been due to travellers coming in! Well yes!!

Solution has always been, stop more virus cases entering the country, and lock us all down enough to end chains of transmission already here.
 
"I really need to see the government provide a clear roadmap out of this situation for everyone's sanity, and would prefer to see a 6 week full lockdown like spring last year to ensure rates are low enough to send kids back to school Easter at the latest."

Good luck with that.

If we had decent local public health teams that were properly supported by central government, a much more nuanced response might have been possible.

Still, the "party of localism" has always seemed the exact opposite to me: anti-democratic, anti-council, centralising and authoritarian with a "top-down" approach to every issue.
 
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HoofGrantBrown said:
And a similar story of a party of 200 (I think) with students travelling huge distances to take part in it !!
Add in the North London wedding with loads of guests (who then did a runner) and we clearly have a population full of utter morons.
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What they should do is round them all up then distribute them around all the supermarkets then instead of having someone there sanitizing the handles on the baskets and trolleys they should make these people lick all the baskets and trolleys handles clean.
 
Sincilbanks said:
I'm not sure how they crammed all that development in that time as well as involving Bill Gates and George Soros to ensure all of humanity can be tracked via the vaccine as well, must have been a herculean effort...
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You need to tune in to London Real, mate. It's all explained on there. Or call Andrew Wakefield, he'll explain it to you, for a small fee.
 
I see the EU still haven't authorised the Oxford Vaccine. Astra Zeneca have orders from all over the world(not surprisingly), but cannot fulfil the high demands. Everyone is having to deal with the fact that they wont be getting the order they have asked for. - a lot lot less. AZ are supplying the countries first and foremost who are using it, like the UK. EU are demanding doses are delivered for when they will be using them, AZ have said they can't do it.
So far, i dont think the EU's refusal to authorise it is political, more that they like to have everything done properly, tests and trials, even in a crisis, where as we are now able to say-just fking do it, following the basic trials.
This could start to get political though, as the EU are talking about commandeering doses from AZ that are manufactured within the EU zone. We'll see what happens.
 
UK deaths top 100,000.

Remember when 20,000 was the bench-mark for "doing well" and people on this thread were comparing coronavirus to (the worst in living memory) outbreak of seasonal 'flu (28,000 deaths)?

That was just 10 months ago, btw.
 
NottyImp said:
UK deaths top 100,000.

Remember when 20,000 was the bench-mark for "doing well" and people on this thread were comparing coronavirus to (the worst in living memory) outbreak of seasonal 'flu (28,000 deaths)?

That was just 10 months ago, btw.
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Boris is deeply sorry though... *sigh*


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And take the rest of your f**king incompetent, lazy, arrogant, supercilious, no nothing, greedy, opportunistic, corrupt charlatan bunch of clowns with you...
 
A large chunk of the population would have had no issue with even the highest restrictions, if there were a clear long term strategy linked to them. Unfortunately, with loud voices from various places wanting to open X and Y as soon as possible, the whole thing has just been one massive reactive f#ck up in trying to keep everyone onside. The only thing vaguely proactive has been ordering the vaccine, and in limiting supply to areas doing well with it there's a chance that could also go tits up.
Clearly, we couldn't shutdown the country/economy indefinitely. But, the complete lack of any joined up thinking or long term plan has possibly damaged us more.
If you fail to plan......
 
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