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Aston Villa away to Man Utd New Years Day

I do agree with col8’s point about subconscious bias towards the “big 6” (usually caveat hate that term).

If the big 6 win a penalty with VAR checking , I’d be fairly sure deep in the heads of a useless VAR referee would be to “confirm if penalty can be given to Big 6 team” or conversely, if a penalty goes against a Big 6 team the head of the red is thinking “does opposition team deserve penalty”. To relate to yesterday in the two scenarios, “was Pogba fouled” or if it had been the other way “did jack fall over”.

When Liverpool were storming ahead last season, every goal they conceded was being checked and by checking every goal you can usually find some violation if you play the tape long enough.

What I’ve scenario’d above is very different from a completely objective view.

In my industry there’s a good phrase that goes “win the draws”. What that means, is that when it’s 50:50 it goes your way - which is what happened to United. Whereas if that was jack being fouled by a Matic type, we wouldn’t have had the decision.

If you think 1 in every 3 games has a controversial VAR decision, that’s a lot of decisions going to the favour of the Liverpool’s, Uniteds, Spurs’ etc over us. VAR is a huge handicap for us as much as it was designed to bring more objectivity into the game, I genuinely believe it’s made it worse.

The technology is two decades off working and the reality is if anyone is going to bring in real time and instant decision from such technology it’s going to be the Germans or the Japanese, not the FA using Microsoft bloody paint to draw on dodgy lines in a picture frame.
 
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VAR was meant to eliminate mistakes and end the sky 6 bias we've always known was there. Instead its magnified it. Last night was the quickest VAR check I've ever seen for a penalty but for the 2 disallowed Watkins goals and the Trezeguet denied penalty they took ages trying to find a reason to disallow them. Someone put up that utd have had 34 penalties in 59 games. We've probably had less than 10 in that same timeframe. No one on this earth is going to tell me they've not been benefitted from favourable decisions.
 
This blatant cheating by referees towards the Sky 6 won't end until all the other clubs get together and threaten to break away from the PL themselves. Maybe then they'll listen. I've said it for years match fixing is rife in the English game and one day somebody will get caught red handed.
 
Doesn't matter whether Luiz tripped Pogba or Pogba tripped himself. There was a wrestling match which denied the progress of the man with the ball. If you defend like that in the box you're in trouble. Not surprised it was a penalty.
 
McParlandTheGreat said:
Doesn't matter whether Luiz tripped Pogba or Pogba tripped himself. There was a wrestling match which denied the progress of the man with the ball. If you defend like that in the box you're in trouble. Not surprised it was a penalty.
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Said earlier....in that situation I'd rather our players tried for get in the way of goal rather than wrestle with them and inevitably give a spot kick away. They may miss, you may get the block, Emi may save, there are other defenders. But a penalty is almost giving them the goal. But I guess the red mist descends.

And even stupider is wrestling someone who is way outside the box......yes Mr Mings I mean you.
 
Fulford said:
This blatant cheating by referees towards the Sky 6 won't end until all the other clubs get together and threaten to break away from the PL themselves. Maybe then they'll listen. I've said it for years match fixing is rife in the English game and one day somebody will get caught red handed.
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Fulford, nice conspiracy theory but what about Villa 7 Liverpool 2? I’m afraid it’s more about who pays for the best players than who pays the referees.
 
Wicked Messenger said:
Fulford, nice conspiracy theory but what about Villa 7 Liverpool 2? I’m afraid it’s more about who pays for the best players than who pays the referees.
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There may be a bit of big team entitlement. And Fergie was great at pressuring refs. But I think that is the limit of the bias. Man U get pens because they attack a lot - they get in the box and they know when to go down.
 
Wicked Messenger said:
Fulford, nice conspiracy theory but what about Villa 7 Liverpool 2? I’m afraid it’s more about who pays for the best players than who pays the referees.
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I'm not saying it's every referee but there's definitely something going on with a certain team in particular.
 
gator said:
He certainly was apparently not a nice man though I know someone who did some work at his house for him and he called him Alan and he said Mr Shearer to you :LOL:
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Short memories, Shearer was a dirty bastard who would be sent off most games nowadays .
 
gator said:
Still can't remember that mate I would have been there too
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Sports injuries are never for the squeamish, but even by the standards of habitual leg breaks, snapped ligaments, fractured cheekbones and sundry stitches, Aston Villa defender Ugo Ehiogu's (left) eye injury is gruesome.
He needed two operations to save the sight in his eye after being caught in the face by Alan Shearer's boot in a league match. He hasn't started a game since January, but Villa boss John Gregory is thinking of including him against Manchester United to face old team-mate Dwight Yorke today.
Gregory revealed the details of the damage. "It was a very bad injury. Ugo had to have the skin on his head cut and rolled right back so the surgeon could get at the back of his eye and perform a delicate operation.
"Ugo is left with a scar from ear to ear. At the moment it is quite vivid and looks like he is wearing a pair of headphones. The specialist's report is good and his eye is clearing. We thought he might need a third operation."
 
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