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Jose is an ex-Spurs manager!

The 'everyone is shit except Mourinho' narrative makes little sense though. The MF staying back is by Jose's design, not through lack of confidence. The mistakes and hiding on the pitch are down to confidence though.

Why isnt Mourinho lifting the confidence? That is what really concerns me.


he took another beating from Harry Redknapp and JamieO'Hara on talksport this morning, basically repeated all the criticisms so many of us have made; Harry was gobsmacked at his last post-match comments about the 6 on their bench would all get in our first starting 11 - true or not Harry said the players would be sick to hear what he thinks of them like that and O'hara suggested they'll stop playing for him, if they haven't already - thankfully, the suspension of the league might give us the chance and him to regroup and rethink his tactics on and off the pitch.
 
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he took another beating from Harry Redknapp and JamieO'Hara on talksport this morning, basically repeated all the criticisms so many of us have made; Harry was gobsmacked at his last post-match comments about the 6 on their bench would all get in our first starting 11 - true of not Harry said the players would be sick to hear what he thinks of them like that and O'hara suggested they'll stop playing for him, if they haven't already - thankfully, the suspension of the league might give us the chance and him to regroup and rethink his tactics on and off the pitch.

I wouldn't take much notice of those two . We have a few good players but we know most are below the standard needed to win things. Sugar coating it doesn't change that.
 
I wouldn't take much notice of those two . We have a few good players but we know most are below the standard needed to win things. Sugar coating it doesn't change that.

I would take notice; you've missed the point, it doesn't matter if they aren't 'good enough to win things' - we aren't going to be able to change them all in one summer, so any reasonable leader would want to motivate his team to do the best they can, not think 'fcuk that ****, doesn't matter what I do, I'm for the chop'.

that's not 'sugar coating' it, it's basic commonsense.
 
We dont need to change them all or get rid of them all. That's up to them if they want to leave if they become squad players instead of first 11. Players like Aurier, Sanchez and Davies etc are ok for the squad. Its deciding who is good enough to stick with or develop.
 
he took another beating from Harry Redknapp and JamieO'Hara on talksport this morning, basically repeated all the criticisms so many of us have made; Harry was gobsmacked at his last post-match comments about the 6 on their bench would all get in our first starting 11 - true of not Harry said the players would be sick to hear what he thinks of them like that and O'hara suggested they'll stop playing for him, if they haven't already - thankfully, the suspension of the league might give us the chance and him to regroup and rethink his tactics on and off the pitch.


whilst I agree with the sentiment I remember Redknapp referring to his bench with his disdain after a game, implying he had no options due to injuries. Something along the lines of "look at what I've got to work with".
 
whilst I agree with the sentiment I remember Redknapp referring to his bench with his disdain after a game, implying he had no options due to injuries. Something along the lines of "look at what I've got to work with".

He was going through his 'barebones' mantra phrase and was referring to (as he put it) 'kids'..
 
The 'everyone is shit except Mourinho' narrative makes little sense though. The MF staying back is by Jose's design, not through lack of confidence. The mistakes and hiding on the pitch are down to confidence though.

Why isnt Mourinho lifting the confidence? That is what really concerns me.

Totally boggles the mind.

Either its on purpose, or its incompetence, or its its failure by arrogance.

All are bad.

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Poch lost his job either on purpose implying that he was fed up with his rantings at the end of his tenure or that his time was up. We now have a worse scenario. Instead of uplifting the moral of the players he is slowly but surely destroying them with his comments. The putting a hand on their shoulders and giving them the support they need is not in his CV. He has done it with De Bruyne, Shaw and other players. He has identified Tungay as his scapegoat. Its his job to uplift his confidence. His way is not the Spurs way. If I had my way I would bring Poch back and back him all the way as regards transfers. I dont trust JM .
 
Poch lost his job either on purpose implying that he was fed up with his rantings at the end of his tenure or that his time was up. We now have a worse scenario. Instead of uplifting the moral of the players he is slowly but surely destroying them with his comments. The putting a hand on their shoulders and giving them the support they need is not in his CV. He has done it with De Bruyne, Shaw and other players. He has identified Tungay as his scapegoat. Its his job to uplift his confidence. His way is not the Spurs way. If I had my way I would bring Poch back and back him all the way as regards transfers. I dont trust JM .
I’m sure you can add Salah to that list .
 
If a player is criticised and feels it is unfair there are two options

A) Prove the critic wrong by taking it by the neck and upping your game or

B) Sulk and do an Erickshitsen and get even worse until you are moved on.

Professionalism and character dictate which option they choose.
 
You can criticise a player without doing it publicly. Ultimately people respond differently.

I feel Jose has a one size fits all approach and those who don't get with it are replaced (often very expensively). Unfortunately world football has quite a few players who didn't click with his approach but found the motivation under other management and have gone on to be huge successes. The question is can we afford to alienate big purchases and replace them with players who do respond to his style?
 
I would take notice; you've missed the point, it doesn't matter if they aren't 'good enough to win things' - we aren't going to be able to change them all in one summer, so any reasonable leader would want to motivate his team to do the best they can, not think 'fcuk that ****, doesn't matter what I do, I'm for the chop'.

that's not 'sugar coating' it, it's basic commonsense.


Like you say there is know way we will buy a whole new starting 11 in the summer.He should be trying to keep at least some on his side.Jose will say everything is okay but I bet there are more and more players losing motivation every time he opens his mouth.
 
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ion-mauricio-pochettino-architects-own-crisis

In persisting with Joséfication Spurs are the architects of their own downfall
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Jonathan Wilson

In half a season, José Mourinho has dismantled Tottenham’s style and denounced players – and it will only get worse

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‘José Mourinho has come to resemble a fading dictator, seeing traitors in every corner’. Photograph: Kieran McManus/BPI/Shutterstock

I n a crisis there is need for extreme measures. In a crisis there is need for a people to have faith in their leader, the only man who can save them. In a crisis the usual norms must be forgotten as the emergency is combated. Tottenham, in case you hadn’t noticed, are facing a crisis. Treacherous agents of the counter‑revolution are targeting their forwards, which is why everybody must be grateful José Mourinho is there to take the hard decisions. And speaking of enemies of the people, have you seen how Tanguy Ndombele’s been playing recently?
There are still those, after everything, who maintain faith. Of course the great leader will save them, if only critics would stop talking Tottenham down. Joséfication must go on. So what if all the principles, all the good practice, all the goodwill generated under Mauricio Pochettino end up being jettisoned along the way? Those are necessary sacrifices on the road to a José future.

So what if Joséfication was always a short-term measure that left a toxic residue even when it worked, which it hasn’t for five years? And the only future is José.


A reminder of the situation Mourinho inherited: he took over a squad that lay 14th in the table and had taken just 14 points from 12 games. It had taken just 11 points from the final 12 games of last season – although in that same time Spurs had reached the Champions League final. The decline had already set in.

But it is an oddity of modern football to believe that no manager could ever possibly arrest a downturn. Pochettino had brought five years of progress. He had for two years been highlighting the problems a lack of investment was likely to cause. He knew his squad was going stale and that certain players had begun to chafe against the demands he placed on them. Levy was faced with a critical decision: stick with the manager who had taken them so far, the one undeniably successful appointment he has made, and rejuvenate the squad; or sack Pochettino and turn to the ageing rebel and hope he had one great revolution left in him.

In taking 27 points from 17 league games and leading Tottenham out of the FA Cup and Champions League Mourinho has dismantled the Pochettino style and denounced a number of players. At times he has adopted an ultra-defensive approach but, other than against Manchester City, it hasn’t really worked: his 26 games in charge have brought just three clean sheets.

Against RB Leipzig in the Champions League on Tuesday Spurs looked weary, slow and disjointed, in the sort of display to make a manager rip everything up and start again. How quickly the legacy of Pochettino has been squandered.

Of course none of this is Mourinho’s fault. How could anybody win games without two forwards? How can he not despair when he looks at the RB Leipzig bench and sees seven players who would get into his first team? How can the authorities possibly expect his squad to play two games in four days? (Has anybody yet worked out whether, faced with such an unprecedented schedule and insisting the board must advise him on which to prioritise, he went for the draw at Burnley or the defeat at Leipzig?)

In situations like this the mind goes back always to the comment made by a Gestifute executive to the journalist Diego Torres to explain why Manchester United did not appoint Mourinho as the successor to Alex Ferguson: “The problem is when things do not go well for Mou, he does not follow the club’s line. He follows José’s line.” Where other managers might try to find ways of winning a game, Mourinho looks to find ways of deflecting the blame for a loss.

Other teams suffer injuries and often they are just as unfortunately concentrated on one area of the side. Most clubs get on with it. They change their shape or they play somebody out of their usual position or they promote a young prospect, such as Troy Parrott.

The problem for Tottenham now is that the crisis is real. By the time Pochettino left they were not pressing with the same intensity. Some of the belief had gone but at least everybody still knew what the plan was supposed to be. What is it now?

There was an obvious contrast on Tuesday with the pace and decisiveness of Leipzig’s attacking. They were structured, knew the weak points to exploit (admittedly they weren’t hard to find on Tuesday but Leipzig focused on the space behind Serge Aurier), knew where to move, knew where to pass. Mourinho has always eschewed such automatisation, preferring to condition players to make the right decision in any circumstance rather than trying to pre-empt those situations.

But in the modern world of pressing and transitions that seems increasingly old-fashioned. In the context of Spurs, where players are uncertain, confidence sapped – Ndombele’s weird performance against Burnley was surely the result primarily of him simply not wanting the ball – the result has been a lot of pointing and shrugging and waving of arms, and very little incisiveness.

Mourinho has always excelled at creating a siege mentality, railing against opponents, referees and the authorities, and often his own board. But at least in the old days the players were inside the city walls. These days Mourinho, burned by his time at Real Madrid, has come to resemble a fading dictator, railing at the decline in his talents and blaming the traitors he sees in every corner. Players are no more to be trusted than anybody else. It is him against the world.

And, on the logic of revolutionary cults of personality, that means all vestiges of the old regime most be extirpated. Everything must submit to Joséfication. And in the process everything that looked as if it might elevate Tottenham, might actually allow them to break into the elite, is lost. Mourinho isn’t the answer to the crisis; he has become the crisis.
 
Well he seems to divide the press as much as the fans of the clubs he manages!

https://www.independent.ie/sport/so...lve-the-crisis-he-is-the-crisis-39044943.html



Jose won't solve the crisis; he is the crisis


Tottenham Hotspur manager Jose Mourinho. Photo: PA

Jonathan Wilson

March 15 2020 02:30 AM




In a crisis there is need for extreme measures. In a crisis there is need for a people to have faith in their leader, the only man who can save them. In a crisis the usual norms must be forgotten as the emergency is combated. Tottenham are facing a crisis. Treacherous agents of the counter revolution are targeting their forwards, which is why everybody must be grateful Jose Mourinho is there to take the hard decisions. And speaking of enemies of the people, have you seen how Tanguy Ndombele's been playing recently?

There are still those who maintain faith. Of course the great leader will save them, if only critics would stop talking Tottenham down. Josefication must go on.

So what if all the principles, all the good practice, all the goodwill generated under Mauricio Pochettino end up being jettisoned along the way? Those are necessary sacrifices on the road to a Jose future. So what if Josefication was always a short-term measure that left a toxic residue even when it worked, which it hasn't for five years? Daniel Levy has spoken.

A reminder of the situation Mourinho inherited: he took over a squad that lay 14th in the table and had taken just 14 points from 12 games. It had taken just 11 points from the final 12 games of last season - although in that same time Spurs had reached the Champions League final. The decline had already set in.

But it is an oddity of modern football to believe that no manager could ever possibly arrest a downturn. Pochettino had brought five years of progress. He had for two years been highlighting the problems a lack of investment was likely to cause. He knew his squad was going stale. Levy was faced with a critical decision: stick with the manager who had taken them so far and rejuvenate the squad; or sack Pochettino and turn to the ageing rebel and hope he had one great revolution left in him.

In taking 27 points from 17 league games and leading Tottenham out of the FA Cup and Champions League Mourinho has dismantled the Pochettino style and denounced a number of players. At times he has adopted an ultra-defensive approach but, other than against Manchester City, it hasn't really worked: his 26 games in charge have brought just three clean sheets.

Against RB Leipzig in the Champions League on Tuesday Spurs looked weary, slow and disjointed, in the sort of display to make a manager rip everything up and start again. How quickly the legacy of Pochettino has been squandered.

Of course none of this is Mourinho's fault. How could anybody win games without two forwards? How can he not despair when he looks at the RB Leipzig bench and sees seven players who would get into his first team? How can the authorities possibly expect his squad to play two games in four days?

In situations like this the mind goes back to the comment made by a Gestifute executive to the journalist Diego Torres to explain why Manchester United did not appoint Mourinho as the successor to Alex Ferguson: "The problem is when things do not go well for Mourinho, he does not follow the club's line. He follows Jose's line." Where other managers might try to find ways of winning a game, Mourinho looks to find ways of deflecting the blame for a loss.

Other teams suffer injuries and often they are just as unfortunately concentrated on one area of the side. Most clubs get on with it. They change their shape or they play somebody out of their usual position or they promote a young prospect, such as Troy Parrott.

The problem for Tottenham now is that the crisis is real. By the time Pochettino left they were not pressing with the same intensity. Some of the belief had gone but at least everybody still knew what the plan was supposed to be. What is it now?



There was an obvious contrast on Tuesday with the pace and decisiveness of Leipzig's attacking. They were structured, knew the weak points to exploit, knew where to move, knew where to pass. Mourinho has always eschewed such automatisation, preferring to condition players to make the right decision in any circumstance rather than trying to pre-empt those situations .

But that seems increasingly old-fashioned. In the context of Spurs, where players are uncertain, confidence sapped, the result has been a lot of pointing and shrugging and waving of arms.

Mourinho has always excelled at creating a siege mentality, railing against opponents, referees and the authorities, and often his own board. But at least in the old days the players were inside the city walls. These days Jose, burned by his time at Real Madrid, has come to resemble a fading dictator, railing at the fading of his talents, and blaming the traitors he sees in every corner. Players are no more to be trusted than anybody else. It is him against the world. Mourinho isn't the answer to the crisis; he has become the crisis.

Observer
 
The paragraph that describes our performance against Leipzig as weary, slow and disjointed is sensationalist. Does he not take into account the players missing and the schedule and lack of quality depth in the squad. We actually started quite well but Hugo throwing in 2 in 20 minutes killed it.
 
Mourinho has become the crisis...bullshit. Wait until we have our players back and some signings, then we can start judging Jose. Ultimately Levy appointed him so will either take the plaudits or the flak.