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To begin with, exactly how many League Two footballers do you think earn 10x what most people do? Secondly, this is affecting all the administrative and peripheral staff too: the people with families who perform a 9-5 job in good faith, expecting their employer to keep its side of the bargain and actually pay them for what they have done. They cannot pay their rent/mortgage or other bills, they cannot go shopping or do anything requiring money. It is not their fault. What would you do in that situation?
don't they have the same options that employees of any other business that can't pay its way would have? the difference being, in which other sector would the wider public do a collection to pay wages of employees of a failing company?
 
To begin with, exactly how many League Two footballers do you think earn 10x what most people do? Secondly, this is affecting all the administrative and peripheral staff too: the people with families who perform a 9-5 job in good faith, expecting their employer to keep its side of the bargain and actually pay them for what they have done. They cannot pay their rent/mortgage or other bills, they cannot go shopping or do anything requiring money. It is not their fault. What would you do in that situation?

All of which is terrible, but is precisely why that charlatan of a Chairman shouldn’t be blackmailing loyal fans into sending good money after bad. This is the latest of multiple years that Bury have posted multi million pound losses - at what stage do you say enough is enough?
 
By the way the Chairman is a failed property developer- would anybody be so keen to dip into their own pocket to support his other business?
 
By the way the Chairman is a failed property developer- would anybody be so keen to dip into their own pocket to support his other business?

His other businesses, suspect as they are, don't affect the lives of thousands of people in the same way.

Nobody's forced to contribute.

What's the problem?
 
To begin with, exactly how many League Two footballers do you think earn 10x what most people do? Secondly, this is affecting all the administrative and peripheral staff too: the people with families who perform a 9-5 job in good faith, expecting their employer to keep its side of the bargain and actually pay them for what they have done. They cannot pay their rent/mortgage or other bills, they cannot go shopping or do anything requiring money. It is not their fault. What would you do in that situation?

The support staff would lose their jobs as happens at any company that goes tits up. However, you don't see similar appeals when the local widget factory closes, so I'd argue that the appeals are about something else - it's about a club.

As for the players: The minimum wage in the UK is about £15,000 a year. So 10*15,000 = £150,000, which is £2,500 a week, which I would argue is most definitely in the range of top players in League Two. Given Bury have ruined themselves by signing players they can't afford, I'd also argue that many of their squad are on around that amount. Also - the PFA, I understand, has salary insurance.
 
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I can think of plenty of deserving causes that would rank above paying the mortgage of someone on £150k a year. The directors of the major company i work for are on a lot less than that. If they came to me rattling a tin i’d tell them to go do one.
I’d put Skeggy Seal sanctuary above them.
Get real
 
I can think of plenty of deserving causes that would rank above paying the mortgage of someone on £150k a year. The directors of the major company i work for are on a lot less than that. If they came to me rattling a tin i’d tell them to go do one.
I’d put Skeggy Seal sanctuary above them.
Get real

Yes, but we have done exactly the same thing to save our club... we've put money in buckets and run internet campaigns to pay the wages and transfer fees of players.

Those acts gave footballers a better life than most of the fans. This is a huge paradox, and I do not like it, but that was not the focus - the focus was trying to save the club and improve it.

Bury fans are now in that position.

If you want a football club, and everything that entails, someone has to pay for it. Anger should be directed at the people who come in, promise the moon, deliver nothing and shrug their shoulders. Not the fans, or the footballers for that matter.
 
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Well, today is supposed to be the day ("hopefully") - I can't wait to see the next bit of this fiasco!
 
All really sad for the fans and for an historic club.

Again, caused by owners and boards who deliberately place the club at risk by living way beyond their means.

I hope that somehow the club pulls through and finds better ownership.
 
Have I read it correctly: The Bury Chairman is not from Bury, has no interest in football, is a property 'developer' who specialises in dissolving companies and asset stripping. If I'm mistaken fair enough; if not then...…...
 
Looks like they haven't been paid again despite the chairman being 'hopeful'.

Bury have had five home games since staff were last paid at the end of February with a cumulative attendance of 19,458. The last three have been cash only - where has that money gone, and why can't the staff have some of it?

Tranmere have only sent Bury 150 tickets to sell for the game at Prenton on 27 April, which will be sent out if required by second class post. The rest have to be purchased directly from Tranmere Rovers.

And they are also flogging season tickets with a huge discount (£100 off before 17 May) for early bird sales. Would you buy one?
 
Have I read it correctly: The Bury Chairman is not from Bury, has no interest in football, is a property 'developer' who specialises in dissolving companies and asset stripping. If I'm mistaken fair enough; if not then...…...
He lives in the Manchester area, but may not be from Bury itself. Lots of people on Bury message board/forum have done some research into him and the popular line is that he has taken a large number of failing companies, asset stripped them and then let them go bust before moving on to the next one.

I have followed this whole saga with interest and have to say I am genuinely fearful for their future as they are saddled with huge debt (anywhere between 9 and 12 million depending on who you believe), stuffed by high interest loans and short of the players themselves have virtually no assets as everything is tied up in other finance arrangements. In particular my heart goes out those non playing members of staff who are working tirelessly for no money at the moment and are probably suffering any amount of sleepless nights with mortgages to pay and children to look after.

I don't like seeing old and established clubs go bust, but financial crisis and Bury are not new bedfellows and maybe it has finally all caught up with them and that there is no sensible way out of this current mess. I see there has already been much talk on the Bury forum about a 'phoenix club' in the same mould as an AFC Wimbledon and others.
 
I think it is quite significant the the EFL have deemed Bury worthy of specific concern mention which we don't often get. If the owner is indeed more of an asset stripper than anything else it makes you wonder how he fulfilled the fit and proper criteria.
Supporters and backroom staff are who I have sympathy for in this mess. Players will probably find another club. You don't do that as a fan
 
"Bury have had five home games since staff were last paid at the end of February with a cumulative attendance of 19,458. The last three have been cash only - where has that money gone, and why can't the staff have some of it?"

To be fair, it takes quite a long time to stuff that amount of money in your pants.
 
If Bury go to the wall - are we still promoted?
yep, worst we could be is second. due to the often overlooked mk v mansfield game.
imps pld40 pts80
mansfield pld40 pts69 [4 to play 11pts behind]
MKDons pld40 pts69 [4 to play 11pts behind]
tranmere pld41 pts68 [3 to play max77pts]
 
If Bury go to the wall - are we still promoted?

I think the winding up proceedings have been put back until May so they will play the season out. It's always possible that players could refuse to play but all that should mean is a win awarded to the opponents ( 3-0 probably as that seems to be the standard result when a fixture is awarded to an opponent)
Put simply yes we are still up here and now