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Pearced said:
Interesting view from afar on the Brexit fiasco. First I've heard of the vaccine hoarding - which explains a lot.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/28/...qmIRb2F9PnJAJ1bYeM647V6Rchid84uGoFfjfLNXg0sd0
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Excellent summary as to where we are. Hard not to believe the US just sees bojo as a trump, same tactics. The only thing they miss (not in their interest) is the degree to which the country is split. We have never resembled the US quite as.much as we do now. Me personally, i dont like it.
 
For Germans, Britain is now the grown-up.

THOMAS KIELINGER.

The UK’s vaccine success compared with Germany has led to unfamiliar feelings of post-Brexit envy.

As far as a national malaise goes, it doesn’t get much worse. I’m not talking about Covid itself, but rather Germany’s failure to get to grips with it via an orderly vaccine rollout while Brexit Britain races ahead, a malaise that has hit Germany at the very core of its psyche.

You might have thought that it would be Germany, with its much-attested organisational skill, that would have excelled in this field, rather than the Brits and their alleged love of muddling through. But Germany is a federalised country with 17 governments – a national one and 16 regional ones. Under such conditions, organisational skill can quickly turn to chaos. A cacophony of different opinions has arisen, with Angela Merkel having to hold successive summits with the 16 regional, finger-wagging chiefs to find out how best to move forward. Tomorrow, another summit of this kind will be taking place, yet another attempt to cut through a mountain of confusion.

This turmoil has been exacerbated by the AstraZeneca debacle. Some wit let it be known that the vaccine was useless for the over-65s, and within days the “news” had spread like wildfire. A whopping 85 per cent of the 1.5 million doses available in Germany is being stored unused. President Macron of France has sounded cautious, too. Trust the British, he seemed to argue, in their gung-ho post-Brexit flush of excitement, to run ahead.

Initially, this played well among Germans who by nature pivot towards worrying endlessly; there is a beautiful moniker for it, “Bedenkenträger”, or “doubt carriers”. But now the overload of scientific disputation has led to an atmosphere of utter helplessness as people veer between resignation and feisty incredulity.

In any case, Germans wonder, why couldn’t their leaders come up with an orderly way of distributing the vaccines? But a multiplicity of authorities are all competing for prominence and even their family doctor is so far not allowed to administer the jab. Ursula von der Leyen, the head of the European Commission, has hardly improved matters, overseeing a mess in Brussels even worse than that in her homeland.

Nobody waxes enthusiastic about the EU any more, and the notion of ever-closer union has evaporated. But Germans are accustomed to Europe as their ersatz identity and political job description, quite apart from enjoying a club with such significant, if endangered, economic clout. Thus they have only ever conceived of Brexit as an act of extreme, self-inflicted harm. Lately, however, they have been disabused of this notion. John Kampfner’s 2020 book, Why the Germans Do It Better: Notes from a Grown-Up Country has virtually been turned on its head.

Look how the foolhardy Brits are coping with Covid and the road out of lockdown. Over 20 million British people have been vaccinated since December, compared with around four million in Germany, which is the larger population by about 15 million. Eat your gloomy predictions, ye staunch anti-Brexiteers. No wonder Germany’s Bild, Europe’s largest circulation tabloid, is growing more excited by the day on account of such breath-taking success. “We envy you British”, was their headline last week.

In my own paper, I referred to it as a national crusade, appealing to a deep-seated instinct to prevail against an invisible invader. Of course, the reality of over 100,000 Covid deaths is a fearsome reminder of Britain’s need to get its act together. But getting it together is precisely what has been happening as the vaccine rollout runs along at unremitting speed.

Trust, that’s what it boils down to. Trust is a process of delegation: individuals have to be able to base their judgment on responsible authority. Trust can be cruelly exploited, but a complete lack of it kills. To use Johnsonian rhetoric: “Germany vacillates, Britain vaccinates”. Angela Merkel should go on national TV and have herself vaccinated with the AstraZeneca jab. It is the only way to restore trust in the vaccine and her leadership, and start turning around Germany’s woeful record.

Thomas Kielinger was a long-time UK correspondent of the German daily Die Welt and has written biographies of Elizabeth II, Churchill and Elizabeth I

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/01/germans-britain-now-grown-up/
 
Strett said:
For Germans, Britain is now the grown-up.

THOMAS KIELINGER.

The UK’s vaccine success compared with Germany has led to unfamiliar feelings of post-Brexit envy.

As far as a national malaise goes, it doesn’t get much worse. I’m not talking about Covid itself, but rather Germany’s failure to get to grips with it via an orderly vaccine rollout while Brexit Britain races ahead, a malaise that has hit Germany at the very core of its psyche.

You might have thought that it would be Germany, with its much-attested organisational skill, that would have excelled in this field, rather than the Brits and their alleged love of muddling through. But Germany is a federalised country with 17 governments – a national one and 16 regional ones. Under such conditions, organisational skill can quickly turn to chaos. A cacophony of different opinions has arisen, with Angela Merkel having to hold successive summits with the 16 regional, finger-wagging chiefs to find out how best to move forward. Tomorrow, another summit of this kind will be taking place, yet another attempt to cut through a mountain of confusion.

This turmoil has been exacerbated by the AstraZeneca debacle. Some wit let it be known that the vaccine was useless for the over-65s, and within days the “news” had spread like wildfire. A whopping 85 per cent of the 1.5 million doses available in Germany is being stored unused. President Macron of France has sounded cautious, too. Trust the British, he seemed to argue, in their gung-ho post-Brexit flush of excitement, to run ahead.

Initially, this played well among Germans who by nature pivot towards worrying endlessly; there is a beautiful moniker for it, “Bedenkenträger”, or “doubt carriers”. But now the overload of scientific disputation has led to an atmosphere of utter helplessness as people veer between resignation and feisty incredulity.

In any case, Germans wonder, why couldn’t their leaders come up with an orderly way of distributing the vaccines? But a multiplicity of authorities are all competing for prominence and even their family doctor is so far not allowed to administer the jab. Ursula von der Leyen, the head of the European Commission, has hardly improved matters, overseeing a mess in Brussels even worse than that in her homeland.

Nobody waxes enthusiastic about the EU any more, and the notion of ever-closer union has evaporated. But Germans are accustomed to Europe as their ersatz identity and political job description, quite apart from enjoying a club with such significant, if endangered, economic clout. Thus they have only ever conceived of Brexit as an act of extreme, self-inflicted harm. Lately, however, they have been disabused of this notion. John Kampfner’s 2020 book, Why the Germans Do It Better: Notes from a Grown-Up Country has virtually been turned on its head.

Look how the foolhardy Brits are coping with Covid and the road out of lockdown. Over 20 million British people have been vaccinated since December, compared with around four million in Germany, which is the larger population by about 15 million. Eat your gloomy predictions, ye staunch anti-Brexiteers. No wonder Germany’s Bild, Europe’s largest circulation tabloid, is growing more excited by the day on account of such breath-taking success. “We envy you British”, was their headline last week.

In my own paper, I referred to it as a national crusade, appealing to a deep-seated instinct to prevail against an invisible invader. Of course, the reality of over 100,000 Covid deaths is a fearsome reminder of Britain’s need to get its act together. But getting it together is precisely what has been happening as the vaccine rollout runs along at unremitting speed.

Trust, that’s what it boils down to. Trust is a process of delegation: individuals have to be able to base their judgment on responsible authority. Trust can be cruelly exploited, but a complete lack of it kills. To use Johnsonian rhetoric: “Germany vacillates, Britain vaccinates”. Angela Merkel should go on national TV and have herself vaccinated with the AstraZeneca jab. It is the only way to restore trust in the vaccine and her leadership, and start turning around Germany’s woeful record.

Thomas Kielinger was a long-time UK correspondent of the German daily Die Welt and has written biographies of Elizabeth II, Churchill and Elizabeth I

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/01/germans-britain-now-grown- officesup/
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The Eu raided the Astrazeneca offices. They put in controls over the Irish border. They threatened Astrazeneca and the UK with legal action. Just imagine what they might have done if they thought the stuff actually worked !

All that so they could get it to keep unused in their fridges !
 
Yawn.

Strett said:
Of course, the reality of over 100,000 Covid deaths is a fearsome reminder of Britain’s need to get its act together.
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We wait until half way down paragraph 9 (of 10) to see this. As though it isn't as important as kicking other nations when they are down.

Strett said:
Trust, that’s what it boils down to. Trust is a process of delegation: individuals have to be able to base their judgment on responsible authority. Trust can be cruelly exploited, but a complete lack of it kills.
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Nobody trusts Johnson and his team. Even his cheerleaders know he is an inherently untrustworthy man. Hard to quantify how many brits that has killed.

Strett said:
Angela Merkel should go on national TV and have herself vaccinated with the AstraZeneca jab. It is the only way to restore trust in the vaccine and her leadership, and start turning around Germany’s woeful record.
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And here is where its credibility finally died, for reasons we have done ad infinitum. You, I, everyone in here, and the author, all know this isn't possible. What a tit.


Yes, Germany and France have major issues surrounding the vaccine that need to be addressed immediately. Macron, in particular, made a serious mistake that is likely to be costly in terms of people's lives. That is very sad.
If we had a magical ability to start over, would you rather be looking forward to a government that has made choices limiting deaths to 70,000 or 125,000? Daily death rates are the same (just over 300) and the German economy has taken a substantially lesser hit (so far).

Not really a brexit point either, is it.
 
Strett said:
For Germans, Britain is now the grown-up.

THOMAS KIELINGER.

The UK’s vaccine success compared with Germany has led to unfamiliar feelings of post-Brexit envy.

As far as a national malaise goes, it doesn’t get much worse. I’m not talking about Covid itself, but rather Germany’s failure to get to grips with it via an orderly vaccine rollout while Brexit Britain races ahead, a malaise that has hit Germany at the very core of its psyche.

You might have thought that it would be Germany, with its much-attested organisational skill, that would have excelled in this field, rather than the Brits and their alleged love of muddling through. But Germany is a federalised country with 17 governments – a national one and 16 regional ones. Under such conditions, organisational skill can quickly turn to chaos. A cacophony of different opinions has arisen, with Angela Merkel having to hold successive summits with the 16 regional, finger-wagging chiefs to find out how best to move forward. Tomorrow, another summit of this kind will be taking place, yet another attempt to cut through a mountain of confusion.

This turmoil has been exacerbated by the AstraZeneca debacle. Some wit let it be known that the vaccine was useless for the over-65s, and within days the “news” had spread like wildfire. A whopping 85 per cent of the 1.5 million doses available in Germany is being stored unused. President Macron of France has sounded cautious, too. Trust the British, he seemed to argue, in their gung-ho post-Brexit flush of excitement, to run ahead.

Initially, this played well among Germans who by nature pivot towards worrying endlessly; there is a beautiful moniker for it, “Bedenkenträger”, or “doubt carriers”. But now the overload of scientific disputation has led to an atmosphere of utter helplessness as people veer between resignation and feisty incredulity.

In any case, Germans wonder, why couldn’t their leaders come up with an orderly way of distributing the vaccines? But a multiplicity of authorities are all competing for prominence and even their family doctor is so far not allowed to administer the jab. Ursula von der Leyen, the head of the European Commission, has hardly improved matters, overseeing a mess in Brussels even worse than that in her homeland.

Nobody waxes enthusiastic about the EU any more, and the notion of ever-closer union has evaporated. But Germans are accustomed to Europe as their ersatz identity and political job description, quite apart from enjoying a club with such significant, if endangered, economic clout. Thus they have only ever conceived of Brexit as an act of extreme, self-inflicted harm. Lately, however, they have been disabused of this notion. John Kampfner’s 2020 book, Why the Germans Do It Better: Notes from a Grown-Up Country has virtually been turned on its head.

Look how the foolhardy Brits are coping with Covid and the road out of lockdown. Over 20 million British people have been vaccinated since December, compared with around four million in Germany, which is the larger population by about 15 million. Eat your gloomy predictions, ye staunch anti-Brexiteers. No wonder Germany’s Bild, Europe’s largest circulation tabloid, is growing more excited by the day on account of such breath-taking success. “We envy you British”, was their headline last week.

In my own paper, I referred to it as a national crusade, appealing to a deep-seated instinct to prevail against an invisible invader. Of course, the reality of over 100,000 Covid deaths is a fearsome reminder of Britain’s need to get its act together. But getting it together is precisely what has been happening as the vaccine rollout runs along at unremitting speed.

Trust, that’s what it boils down to. Trust is a process of delegation: individuals have to be able to base their judgment on responsible authority. Trust can be cruelly exploited, but a complete lack of it kills. To use Johnsonian rhetoric: “Germany vacillates, Britain vaccinates”. Angela Merkel should go on national TV and have herself vaccinated with the AstraZeneca jab. It is the only way to restore trust in the vaccine and her leadership, and start turning around Germany’s woeful record.

Thomas Kielinger was a long-time UK correspondent of the German daily Die Welt and has written biographies of Elizabeth II, Churchill and Elizabeth I

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/03/01/germans-britain-now-grown-up/
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You truly are deluded if you think the UK has higher levels of trust than germany.
 
Lienking said:
The Eu raided the Astrazeneca offices. They put in controls over the Irish border. They threatened Astrazeneca and the UK with legal action. Just imagine what they might have done if they thought the stuff actually worked !

All that so they could get it to keep unused in their fridges !
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There seems to be a lid on the UK hoarding story. It will be interesting to see what the details are when they come out.
 
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