The language is tricky
"anti-Israel" and anti-China
Yet anti-British and anti-American
Not anti-United Kingdom/Britain or anti-United States
And we'd be queasy about saying anti-Israeli or anti-Chinese
All shorthands for objecting to actions or governments, I suppose, but the language which comes easier suggests something in each identifier.
Not directed at you Buddha.
Is your Israeli friend an Arab? I assume not.
“To outsiders it looks like another blow against free speech “
That’s exactly why ‘outsiders’ should think carefully before offering comments.
It’s nothing to do with free speech.
Labour supporters will understand what it’s about.
You on the other hand, can’t.
You've got a point there about the language, jokerman, it is tricky.
'Anti-Israel' is definitely shorthand for objecting to the Israeli government. It is in that sense that she is, 'anti-Israel'.
And no, she's not an Arab. She's white and Jewish (racially, certainly not religiously).
You've got a point there about the language, jokerman, it is tricky.
'Anti-Israel' is definitely shorthand for objecting to the Israeli government. It is in that sense that she is, 'anti-Israel'.
And no, she's not an Arab. She's white and Jewish (racially, certainly not religiously).
Buddha, Indeed, two very different things but some folk fail to separate the two, they see them as being linked together so cannot criticise one without the other.
For centuries the Jews were often treated as second class citizens in most of Europe strangely enough in Iran and Arab countries in the Middle East they co existed in quite large numbers.
The Nazi era was a game changer and what followed was an exodus to Palestine, if only they could have formed a state without uprooting so many Palestinians if it had been done without having to bring about the first Arab/Israeli war then the following wars and Israeli expansion might not well have taken place and the Arab countries and Israel could have lived side by side in harmony much like the Arabs and Jews had done for centuries before hand.
Of course that is all a pipe dream, trust is in short supply on both sides but I do believe the biggest problem in this country when it comes to antisemitism is when critics of Israel refer to it as the Jewish state, it is of course then regarded as being critical against Jews and Israel.
Have you ever read the book Exodus by Leon Uris, Budhha ?
It’s very biased towards Israel but a good read anyway.
Buddha, Indeed, two very different things but some folk fail to separate the two, they see them as being linked together so cannot criticise one without the other.
For centuries the Jews were often treated as second class citizens in most of Europe strangely enough in Iran and Arab countries in the Middle East they co existed in quite large numbers.
The Nazi era was a game changer and what followed was an exodus to Palestine, if only they could have formed a state without uprooting so many Palestinians if it had been done without having to bring about the first Arab/Israeli war then the following wars and Israeli expansion might not well have taken place and the Arab countries and Israel could have lived side by side in harmony much like the Arabs and Jews had done for centuries before hand.
Of course that is all a pipe dream, trust is in short supply on both sides but I do believe the biggest problem in this country when it comes to antisemitism is when critics of Israel refer to it as the Jewish state, it is of course then regarded as being critical against Jews and Israel.
However, I've been keen to stress to him that it wasn't just the Jews who were targeted. Yes, they represented the main Nazi target but there were other targets too.
Have you ever read the book Exodus by Leon Uris, Budhha ?
It’s very biased towards Israel but a good read anyway.
Yes he needs to know that not one race or country is superior over others, that hatred towards other human beings is evil and does not belong in a fair and open society.
Shalom.
Too many people mis-read between the lines.He doesn't seem to understand anything beyond facts and definitions, and seems to have an inability to read between the lines or grasp anything that cannot be reduced down to fit within his own narrow parameters of logic and reason.
Too many people mis-read between the lines.
Let me think......
- The reliability of logic and reason ?
or
- The shifting sands of emotion ?
Surely it should be a no-brainer ?
"reduced down to fit within ... logic and reason"
This really shows you don't get it.
Applying logic and reason to everything requires some work (...less so with practice) - but consistency and predictability pays off with reputation.
Reacting to everything instantly requires no effort at all - and does little for reputation (except maybe amongst Luvvies)
The only problem is, if you start with incorrect assumptions/beliefs, logic ends up with a flawed answer
Paul Newman as Ari Ben Canaan!!!!
We are in complete agreement.The only problem is, if you start with incorrect assumptions/beliefs, logic ends up with a flawed answer
Suddenly everything makes sense !My boy has been beginning to learn about the Holocaust and anti-Semitism as part of his home learning. It's good cos I've been able to help him....
....unlike the maths or science, where I start scratching my head and really trying to think and by the time I've begun to understand it........