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So, whadda we gonna moan abart?

Agree totally with the sentiment of tonight's announcement, but there are some holes in the details. What is essential? Is that because you work manually so can't work from home? Or is it key workers only to work and everyone else on lockdown? Are teachers still supposed to go to work? No mention of them.

Questions remain and that's not a good thing. With that said, I understand the need to keep the broadcast brief and to the point: the core message was loud and clear, which is exactly what was needed. If it'd been an hour long, rambling monologue, that core message could've been lost as people switched off both figuratively and literally.

Tough times but at least the measures are rapidly ramping up and maybe doing it gradually will make it easier for people to cope with: after all, Covid doesn't eliminate all other risks and problems; an overnight isolation out of the blue could put a lot of people in a very difficult position. At least building up to it lets people prepare themselves.

I won't criticise the PM too much because this situation is completely unprecedented, and there's no rule book, nor known right and wrong way of dealing with it. No doubt he's taken advice from much smarter people than us in devising this way of doing things, and he's making tough decisions that no PM of any party in any era would ever want to be in a position that they have to make.

Whilst I'm not saying I think the handling has been perfect, in such uncertain circumstances I think he's handled it reasonably well so far. Only time will tell how effective it's going to be, but the 2.5 / 1.25 exponential growth numbers are very stark.

Stay safe everyone, and look out for each other, especially our elderly and vulnerable. Don't take unnecessary risks, but let's not lose our humanity either. When people need our help and support, we should give it freely.

Little things make big differences. Thinks like picking up the phone and just having a chat with elderly relatives who may be feeling isolated and lonely; if we're doing our essential food shops, call anyone you know who may need some stuff as well. If they need supplies, drop them on their doorstep on your way home.

I don't think anyone here is going to make a big difference individually, but if we all do what little we can, as communities we can make a big contribution to making people's lives just that little bit better in bad times.
 
Just watched Piers Morgan for about 20 minutes and I just can't take any more...nobody can get a word in edge way not even his co- presenter...continuously talking over people , FFS man shut your bloody gob for a minute....back to Judge Judy and relax.
 
Well, based on his latest tweet, Trump wants the US back in work.

@realDonaldTrump

Our people want to return to work. They will practice Social Distancing and all else, and Seniors will be watched over protectively & lovingly. We can do two things together. THE CURE CANNOT BE WORSE (by far) THAN THE PROBLEM! Congress MUST ACT NOW. We will come back strong!

If it works (which it probably won't), he'll be hailed as a genius, and will be unstoppable. He'll be King.

If it fails (which it almost certainly will), he'll be responsible for thousands and thousands of deaths, and should be locked away till he rots.

Will he roll the dice?
 
The most frightening thing about the tweet is the responses to it. Some reasoned and balanced, some outright against it but way too many swallowing every word he says. There seems to be as many brainwashed Americans as there are brainwashed Muslim extremists. But whereas the the extremists have a focus, however evil and despicable it may be, the ignorance of large swathes of the American population has the potential to be every bit as destuctive.
 
WHO reckons the US will be the new global epicentre. New York is riddled with it and will run out of supplies in about a week. Seems a strange suggestion to therefore lift the lockdown. As I guide for us and the US I think Wuhan is lifting restrictions in a week or so making it about 10 weeks since it was shutdown - though appreciate that is a (large) city as opposed to an entire country. Cynic in me thinks if London and New York weren’t the financial centres they’d be shutdown for a similar length of time. In Wuhan they seem to be disinfecting everywhere, how effective that is I’m not sure, but I see little sign of that in the UK.
 
Well, based on his latest tweet, Trump wants the US back in work.
@realDonaldTrump
Our people want to return to work. They will practice Social Distancing and all else, and Seniors will be watched over protectively & lovingly. We can do two things together. THE CURE CANNOT BE WORSE (by far) THAN THE PROBLEM! Congress MUST ACT NOW. We will come back strong!

If it works (which it probably won't), he'll be hailed as a genius, and will be unstoppable. He'll be King.

If it fails (which it almost certainly will), he'll be responsible for thousands and thousands of deaths, and should be locked away till he rots.

Will he roll the dice?
I really fear for the US, it is staring down the barrel and their leader is helping to aim the gun! If he does this then I'm afraid the death toll will be massively above the rest of the world combined! He should be led quietly away and put into a padded cell!!
 
Well then, this pandemic is all the Tories fault according to Jezza. His latest statement on Sky News is a Corbyn classic.

Corbyn calls for UK to increase virus testing
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Sky News
Speaking on Sky News, Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn has urged the UK government to increase coronavirus testing, calling the current testing rate "far too low".
Mr Corbyn, who is stepping down from his role in two weeks, says the country has been made "vulnerable" to the effects of a pandemic by "10 years of austerity".
Has he not gone away yet. Bloody idiot.
 
I really fear for the US, it is staring down the barrel and their leader is helping to aim the gun! If he does this then I'm afraid the death toll will be massively above the rest of the world combined! He should be led quietly away and put into a padded cell!!
Don't disagree though it doesn't help when a large proportion of their population fundamentally believe they can beat anything or anyone by either
a. Shouting "USA" repeatedly or
b. Waving a gun around
 
Just watched the latest daily presser.

I guess we’ve all got our own views on individual politicians but I have to say I’ve been very impressed by the Chief Medical and Scientific Officers they put forward. All seem calm, confident and assured of their answers so should help with reassurance.
 
Just watched the latest daily presser.

I guess we’ve all got our own views on individual politicians but I have to say I’ve been very impressed by the Chief Medical and Scientific Officers they put forward. All seem calm, confident and assured of their answers so should help with reassurance.

To be honest, it's exactly the same in the States, with Fauci and Birx. Sometimes, the looks on their faces when Trump is speaking are a joy to behold. You can almost hear them willing him to shut his stupid mouth.

The State Governors on the other hand appear to be taking charge, and seem far more impressive than - and willing to stand up to - Trump.

Glad to be here rather than over there.
 
I will be sure to share this impressively off target comment with fellow alumni of my alma maters Durham and Lancaster University business schools from where i have a degree in business studies and an MBA.
Coming from a puffed up primary school teacher and putting aside the sanctimonious tone that's all v. funny 🤣🤣
Liked school so much decided to stay there - how aspirational 🤔

You ought to know better, then 😉
 
I will be sure to share this impressively off target comment with fellow alumni of my alma maters Durham and Lancaster University business schools from where i have a degree in business studies and an MBA.
Coming from a puffed up primary school teacher and putting aside the sanctimonious tone that's all v. funny 🤣🤣
Liked school so much decided to stay there - how aspirational 🤔

Thats just a mean and unnecessary bit of abuse
 
The problem with your kind of capitalism is that it leads to resources being misallocated......rampant inequality and inefficiency result. For example, a health service that is based around profit maximization leads to a system like the U.S. where your chances of surviving illness are greatly reduced if you happen to be poor. An education system based on profit leads to life chances being massively increased if you can afford to send your kids to Eton or Harrow rather than the local comp....or not at all. The behaviour of human beings changes if greed is allowed to take control as under capitalism. Capitalism almost destroyed itself in 2007/2008, but was rescued by the command economy with the nationalisation of private sector banks. The inefficiencies of the profit-seeking system that controls us has been made clear by the current crisis.

Profit, if controlled by the State, can provide incentives for business activity, but it must not be allowed to exploit people. Theoretically, the main purpose of any economy is to improve the living standards and well being of everybody, not just 1% of the population!

Wrong. I don't have 'any kind of capitism'. I've explained how individuals who are motivated to improve there lives then behave and go on to create employment.

"Profit, if controlled by the State, can provide incentives for business activity, but it must not be allowed to exploit people."

Another naive postulation. The state is run by individuals who firstly, look after themselves.
Profit, if controlled by the State, can provide incentives for business activity, but it must not be allowed to exploit people.
It's obvious to me you are living in a 'bubble' type world - academia etc ? and are not very wordly.

This utopia you visualise doesn't exist. Human beings are programned to survive - even if it means at the expense or detriment to others - think of food stockpilling presently happening.

You need to acquire a better perspective. Do as I did:
I came from a very poor background. I fought to improve my lot. I started a company with nothing, I begged and borrowed and 'went withou't for years until I was (very) succesful. I created employment. I treated my employees equally and incidentally made loads of charitable donations. Come back in 10 years and challenge me.
 
Wrong. I don't have 'any kind of capitism'. I've explained how individuals who are motivated to improve there lives then behave and go on to create employment.

"Profit, if controlled by the State, can provide incentives for business activity, but it must not be allowed to exploit people."

Another naive postulation. The state is run by individuals who firstly, look after themselves.
Profit, if controlled by the State, can provide incentives for business activity, but it must not be allowed to exploit people.
It's obvious to me you are living in a 'bubble' type world - academia etc ? and are not very wordly.

This utopia you visualise doesn't exist. Human beings are programned to survive - even if it means at the expense or detriment to others - think of food stockpilling presently happening.

You need to acquire a better perspective. Do as I did:
I came from a very poor background. I fought to improve my lot. I started a company with nothing, I begged and borrowed and 'went withou't for years until I was (very) succesful. I created employment. I treated my employees equally and incidentally made loads of charitable donations. Come back in 10 years and challenge me.

I will, if any of us are here in ten years!

You are obviously proud of your business achievements and your philanthropy. However, globally you are in a small minority. There are many millions more born into poverty and dying in poverty. Try and look a bit more widely than your own back yard. I can suggest some stuff to read to give you a broader understanding of the fallibilities of the profit dominated system.😉
 
There are pros and cons for both capitalism and socialism. The problem is normally:

Socialism Negatives - isn't always sufficiently funded, and those in control tend to act like kings

Capitalism Negatives - ignores the poorest, and doesn't say enough is enough to the wealthiest.

It's a bugger, isn't it.
 
The most frightening thing about the tweet is the responses to it. Some reasoned and balanced, some outright against it but way too many swallowing every word he says. There seems to be as many brainwashed Americans as there are brainwashed Muslim extremists. But whereas the the extremists have a focus, however evil and despicable it may be, the ignorance of large swathes of the American population has the potential to be every bit as destuctive.
He seems to want them all back in church at Easter.
Appears to want to wipe out the Christians