Sincilbanks
Vital Football Hero
"Let's get serious"
I think you're not wrong. However, at least 4 already-existing treatment drugs are currently in tests (hopefully more effective than Tamiflu!). These could certainly help mitigate the effects of some of the worst infections.
Anti-body texting may allow recovered patients to return to work. But eventually, it will probably require a vaccine and mass application thereof.
All those anti-vaxxers are looking a bit stupid now, eh?
I personally think they will be lucky to start the new season in August! I think the virus will then just keep coming back! If you look at the Spanish Flu it lasted nearly two years!
I think we are in for a very long haul on this one because all this isolation is just delaying it! The only way it will be defeated is if and when we build up herd immunity (which is how mankind has always dealt with diseases) which will unfortunately mean a lot of deaths or they develop a vaccine either way you are looking at potentially 18 months to two years!
Prepare to batten down the hatches for a good long while yet!
Just read in Italy that of those cases diagnosed as non mild, that death rate is actually 44% to date.
This is mega highly deadly !
Still it's just flu eh? No reason to panic, just the media hyping things up and the government overreacting...
Sounds to me when feasible you should look for another company to work forLooking at the Italian stats, they are running at around a 9% mortality rate, far higher than we were being advised earlier in this crisis.
Also, our daily deaths at each stage are matching Italy so so closely, but 14 days behind them.
So we seem very much on exactly the same path as them at the moment.
This could turn into a huge death toll there and here and who knows where else.
Naturally extremely worried myself and hoping Monday will be my last day of having to go into work. All dependent on IT guy sorting me out.
Really hard going to get my company to do anything on this. They are adamant that they have no legal requirement to do anything and that if anyone self isolates its entirely their own choice and they won't get paid a thing.
I was going to post a similar comment.Sounds to me when feasible you should look for another company to work for
I was going to post a similar comment.
I thought I worked for a poor company but at least they are taking Covid 19 seriously.
Anyone with any symptoms is encouraged to self isolate. The IT dept is setting our operating system up for home working and we're getting daily bulletings on the latest info. All meetings and foriegn travell have been halted for at least a month.
With an appetite like mine, I'm more worried we'll run out of food before I catch anything tho.
Sounds to me when feasible you should look for another company to work for
My company is the same plus allowing for up to 14 days sick to self isolate etc without a Dr's note.
Mine have said that only with actual medical advice will they pay any SSP for this and then for only up to 14 days, for a single time.
We all challenged them on this and all we got was they had legal advice and no law has been passed compelling them to do anything. Blinkered in the extreme.
The Chancellor's latest measures may help.
Sounds like they ought to help our production line staff for example who simply cannot work from home and may well get laid off because of that.
Basically everywhere is going maximum tits up.
I’ve been guilty of some bombastic comments since this virus situation first came to light - some of which I have come to regret, especially when you look at the desperate situation in Italy.
However, for those that remember my long rant on these boards a week or so ago, my primary worry was the analysis being done - in the mainstream media at least - on the statistics that are readily available, and their attendant effect on national and indeed international outlook and behaviour. Therefore, in the interests of balance and at least one alternative perspective, I thought some of these figures might be worth sharing (stats as of the morning of 21/3/20):
Current cases rated as serious/critical: 7,765 out of 172,641 - a rate of 4.5%
This serious/critical rate varies hugely among different countries:
Germany: TWO out of 19,600 (0.01%)
UK: 20 out of 3,741 (0.5%)
South Korea: 59 out of 6,085 (1%)
France: 1,297 out of 10,575 (12%)
Italy: 2,655 out of 37,860 (7%)
The mortality rate as things stand is 11,399 out of 275,952 cases (4%) although again there are major variations between individual countries, and of course major variations between different age groups and people with existing medical conditions.
All of these statistics are available at this website:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
As for flu, the respected John Hopkins University states that there is an estimated 1 billion cases worldwide in a year, with deaths anywhere between 291,000 and 646,000 - a rate of 0.07%.
It's probably fair to say that these numbers could never be 100% reliable in a worldwide context, not least because flu has never been under the statistical mircoscope that Covid-19 is now. However, taking their highest estimates for flu cases in the US, the rate comes out at 0.1% - clearly well below the current mortality rate for Covid-19.
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/hea...ronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu
What does all this mean? Goodness only knows... I'm not even sure the experts saying that the virus will have peaked in June/July or that 260,000 people will be infected in the UK have much certainty over the figures. What is clear is that there are massive variations and a lack of consistent statistical patterns around the world - maybe as a result of the lack of a consistent approach to the problem, not to mention the wildly different cultural responses. Japan for example is a very interesting case as they reported their first Covids back in mid-January - and yet still only have 963 cases out of 127,000,000 people (and have never seen rises above double digits throughout the crisis so far - just 20 new ones were reported yesterday).
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...s-explosion-was-expected-in-japan-where-is-it
Finally, in my previous message, I related the story of my girlfriend who contracted Covid-19 during our holiday in Italy and made a swift and full recovery without infecting others around her. My personal situation now is that here in Malaysia (where I live and work), we have been placed in a virtual lockdown (officially called here a Restriction of Movement order) for 2 weeks. This effectively means that all except essential services/businesses are forced to close. This came about after a sudden spike of 190-150-110 cases over 3 days at the end of last week (we currently have just over 1,000 cases at 0.003% of the population).
Should this lockdown situation continue and be extended into the future, the effect on the company I work for will be catastrophic and will unquestionably end in salaries not being paid (I'd guess within another 2-3 months), enforced redundancies, repatriations etc. Even now, we have been instructed not to make new appointments or renew contracts, and this will affect direct colleagues of mine with families to support and bills to pay. I can survive this outcome, but the effect on our local staff - some earning less than £200 per month - will be horrendous. And for me, this is the real tragedy that is unfolding, and the thing that concerns me most when people talk of 3 month lockdowns for a disease that it is still only affecting fractions of the population (0.07% in Italy; 0.006% in the UK; 0.006% in China; 0.0008% in Japan). In my darkest moments, I can't help thinking that these days will seem like a tea party in comparison to the economic fall-outs we'll see if people and businesses are quarantined for months on end.
And so with that in mind, what actually is the endgame on this? Are we waiting for cases to reach zero before life gets back to normal? Are we waiting the months/years for a vaccine to be clinically tested and then be widely available for the 7.78 billion people living across the globe? Of course I don't have the answer for this, but I do wish there were some more indications from governments on what their long-term strategy actually is. That said, who'd want to be in their shoes right now?
I'm certain a Lincoln City message board isn't the ideal place for such a long and serious message like this, but I'm thankful this board is here to release such sentiments while I'm far away from home, as well as being populated with such a great mix of minds at times like this. Stay safe, healthy and well-informed guys, and let's hope we get to see some football again before too long.
With nose as large as mine I've accepted I'm bound to catch it eventually. I need to social distance at an extra foot to everyone else.My company is the same plus allowing for up to 14 days sick to self isolate etc without a Dr's note.